DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
FreeTrafficLegalAdvice
HTML https://ftla.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Private parking tickets
*****************************************************
#Post#: 112388--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: March 7, 2026, 1:41 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
The reason I and other posters have been somewhat labouring the
point around the lease is because if PCM eventually sue you in
the County Court, primacy of contract would have been by far
your strongest arm of defence. There is still likely a decent
amount of time before they do take you to court (if they decide
to), which should be more than enough time for your parents to
obtain a copy of their lease from the landower. But, if they are
unwilling to help you out by doing this we will have to explore
other options.
Ok, to recap where we are:
- You live in a property, but have no contractual agreement to
be there, as you have been allowed to live there by your parents
- Your parents likewise cannot provide you with any documents to
prove that they have any contractual agreement to be there
- As a result of not being able to locate a lease, they likewise
cannot prove that they have a space(s) demised to them via said
lease
- You mentioned at one point "All the agreement mentions is that
the car park requires a permit", but as yet we do not know what
agreement this is, how it came into your possession, nor which
parties said agreement is between
- You have 2 tickets in play. 1 is for parking in a bay that is
allocated to you (via the missing lease), and 1 is for parking
in a bay allocated to a third party (the housing association).
For the parking charge you have received for parking in your own
bay, the following potential arguments:
- Primacy of contract. The parking spot is demised to your
parents, who granted you permission to park in it. A difficult
argument to run without evidence.
- No contractual offer - we have not yet seen photos of the
signage (this would be useful), but if it requires the
displaying of a permit, there is an argument to be made that the
signage is prohibitive, insofar as it doesn't make a contractual
offer to those without a permit to park. The downside here is
that you do have a permit, it simply wasn't displayed.
- No commercial justification - you had a permit, but simply
forgot to display it, and as such now they are aware you have
one, there is no commercial justification for continuing to
pursue you. The counter argument here might be that there is a
commercial justification for penalising non-diplay, on the basis
that the wardens who patrol need to be able to identify who is
entitled to park where, so that they can effectively manage
parking. This argument could potentially be overcome.
For the parking charge you have received for parking in the
Housing Association's spot, the 'No contractual offer' argument
would seem to be the best fit, again, subject to what the signs
say.
#Post#: 112396--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: luke2397
Date: March 7, 2026, 4:12 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> The reason I and other posters have been somewhat labouring
the point around the lease is because if PCM eventually sue you
in the County Court, primacy of contract would have been by far
your strongest arm of defence. There is still likely a decent
amount of time before they do take you to court (if they decide
to), which should be more than enough time for your parents to
obtain a copy of their lease from the landower. But, if they are
unwilling to help you out by doing this we will have to explore
other options.
>
> Ok, to recap where we are:
>
>
- You live in a property, but have no contractual agreement to
be there, as you have been allowed to live there by your parents
>
- Your parents likewise cannot provide you with any documents to
prove that they have any contractual agreement to be there
>
- As a result of not being able to locate a lease, they likewise
cannot prove that they have a space(s) demised to them via said
lease
>
- You mentioned at one point "All the agreement mentions is that
the car park requires a permit", but as yet we do not know what
agreement this is, how it came into your possession, nor which
parties said agreement is between
>
- You have 2 tickets in play. 1 is for parking in a bay that is
allocated to you (via the missing lease), and 1 is for parking
in a bay allocated to a third party (the housing association).
>
>
> For the parking charge you have received for parking in your
own bay, the following potential arguments:
>
>
- Primacy of contract. The parking spot is demised to your
parents, who granted you permission to park in it. A difficult
argument to run without evidence.
>
- No contractual offer - we have not yet seen photos of the
signage (this would be useful), but if it requires the
displaying of a permit, there is an argument to be made that the
signage is prohibitive, insofar as it doesn't make a contractual
offer to those without a permit to park. The downside here is
that you do have a permit, it simply wasn't displayed.
>
- No commercial justification - you had a permit, but simply
forgot to display it, and as such now they are aware you have
one, there is no commercial justification for continuing to
pursue you. The counter argument here might be that there is a
commercial justification for penalising non-diplay, on the basis
that the wardens who patrol need to be able to identify who is
entitled to park where, so that they can effectively manage
parking. This argument could potentially be overcome.
>
>
> For the parking charge you have received for parking in the
Housing Association's spot, the 'No contractual offer' argument
would seem to be the best fit, again, subject to what the signs
say.
>
--- End Quote ---
I can try and get them to find some sort of lease agreement
again. Going by other posters questioning, my parents own the
flat and have in the past rented it out, I then moved in but
didn't sign a lease agreement with them.
Going by my recent post about my appeal, given the fact that the
specific one that I'm getting chased for. (Of the 2 fines I've
got only 1 currently is being actively pursued) Is for me
parking in a bay I'm entitled to park in but forgot a permit.
And I have stated that I forgot my permit and submitted evidence
of me having a permit. What are the likely directions that this
goes down?
#Post#: 112398--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: March 7, 2026, 4:21 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: luke2397 link ---
>
> Is for me parking in a bay I'm entitled to park in but forgot
a permit. And I have stated that I forgot my permit and
submitted evidence of me having a permit. What are the likely
directions that this goes down?
>
--- End Quote ---
Essentially, as I said in my post above. They might cancel. If
they don't, then you can run the various arguments above. PCM's
likely argument will be that you're only entitled to park in
that bay if both have and display a permit. There are arguments
you can raise against this, as I outline above.
The strongest of those arguments would be showing that you had
the express permission of the owners of the space to park there,
but of course this comes back to proving the primacy of contract
(i.e. that they own the space to be able to assign such
permissions to you). The other arguments are as above.
#Post#: 112758--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: mickR
Date: March 10, 2026, 5:23 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
what was the "agreement" you read that said you need a permit.
who was the agrement issued by and addressed to whom?
#Post#: 114400--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: luke2397
Date: March 25, 2026, 12:40 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: mickR link ---
>
> what was the "agreement" you read that said you need a permit.
who was the agrement issued by and addressed to whom?
>
--- End Quote ---
I do not have a written personal agreement in a lease document.
There is the standard BPA notice board at the entrance of the
car park stating that cars must have a correctly displayed
permit and parked in a bay properly etc etc.
I did receive this letter today in the link below:
HTML https://pasteboard.co/BH6KwNM9ALHE.jpg
having to state that "we are a law firm" doesn't exactly scream
validity to me and a google search seems to back that they don't
really have much legitimacy to them.
Any thoughts on where to go next?
#Post#: 114402--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: jfollows
Date: March 25, 2026, 1:02 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Moorside Legal is definitely a law firm and you should search
the forum to find many cases involving them.
Their letter should
--- Quote ---
> the claimant writing to the defendant with concise details of
the claim. The letter should include the basis on which the
claim is made, a summary of the facts, what the claimant wants
from the defendant, and if money, how the amount is calculated;
--- End Quote ---
, which it clearly doesn’t, it’s utter rubbish, so you should
respond
--- Quote ---
> The reply should include confirmation as to whether the claim
is accepted and, if it is not accepted, the reasons why,
together with an explanation as to which facts and parts of the
claim are disputed
--- End Quote ---
to the effect that you can’t reply to any substantive details in
their letter because there aren’t any, but you will be defending
the claim in full.
You might want to look at
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/letter-before-claim-received-from-moorside-legal/msg95464/#msg95464,<br
/>for example. Or just reply more simply to their laughably
incompetent letter.
#Post#: 114531--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: luke2397
Date: March 26, 2026, 1:59 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: jfollows link ---
>
> Moorside Legal is definitely a law firm and you should search
the forum to find many cases involving them.
>
> Their letter should
> [quote]the claimant writing to the defendant with concise
details of the claim. The letter should include the basis on
which the claim is made, a summary of the facts, what the
claimant wants from the defendant, and if money, how the amount
is calculated;
--- End Quote ---
, which it clearly doesn’t, it’s utter rubbish, so you should
respond
--- Quote ---
> The reply should include confirmation as to whether the claim
is accepted and, if it is not accepted, the reasons why,
together with an explanation as to which facts and parts of the
claim are disputed
--- End Quote ---
to the effect that you can’t reply to any substantive details in
their letter because there aren’t any, but you will be defending
the claim in full.
You might want to look at
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/letter-before-claim-received-from-moorside-legal/msg95464/#msg95464,<br
/>for example. Or just reply more simply to their laughably
incompetent letter.
[/quote]
Apologies i'm struggling to come up with a reply that i'd need
to send them.
I basically need to say that "there's no confirmation of the
claim being accepted and lacks any substantive details for me to
respond to."
Obviously my end goal here is not have to fight this in a court,
I simply do not think I should be fined for parking at my own
home and want the charges dropped.
#Post#: 114695--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: luke2397
Date: March 28, 2026, 9:01 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: jfollows link ---
>
> Moorside Legal is definitely a law firm and you should search
the forum to find many cases involving them.
>
> Their letter should
> [quote]the claimant writing to the defendant with concise
details of the claim. The letter should include the basis on
which the claim is made, a summary of the facts, what the
claimant wants from the defendant, and if money, how the amount
is calculated;
--- End Quote ---
, which it clearly doesn’t, it’s utter rubbish, so you should
respond
--- Quote ---
> The reply should include confirmation as to whether the claim
is accepted and, if it is not accepted, the reasons why,
together with an explanation as to which facts and parts of the
claim are disputed
--- End Quote ---
to the effect that you can’t reply to any substantive details in
their letter because there aren’t any, but you will be defending
the claim in full.
You might want to look at
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/letter-before-claim-received-from-moorside-legal/msg95464/#msg95464,<br
/>for example. Or just reply more simply to their laughably
incompetent letter.
[/quote]
I have responded exactly as per the link sent to an email found
in another thread (Moorside unsurprisingly don't post an email
address on their website)
Will see what comes of it if any.
if I get no response am I likely to keep getting pestered or can
I consider it dead and buried?
#Post#: 114696--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: luke2397
Date: March 28, 2026, 9:07 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: luke2397 link ---
>
> [quote author=jfollows link=topic=10077.msg114402#msg114402
date=1774461743]
> Moorside Legal is definitely a law firm and you should search
the forum to find many cases involving them.
>
> Their letter should
> [quote]the claimant writing to the defendant with concise
details of the claim. The letter should include the basis on
which the claim is made, a summary of the facts, what the
claimant wants from the defendant, and if money, how the amount
is calculated;
--- End Quote ---
, which it clearly doesn’t, it’s utter rubbish, so you should
respond
--- Quote ---
> The reply should include confirmation as to whether the claim
is accepted and, if it is not accepted, the reasons why,
together with an explanation as to which facts and parts of the
claim are disputed
--- End Quote ---
to the effect that you can’t reply to any substantive details in
their letter because there aren’t any, but you will be defending
the claim in full.
You might want to look at
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/letter-before-claim-received-from-moorside-legal/msg95464/#msg95464,<br
/>for example. Or just reply more simply to their laughably
incompetent letter.
[/quote]
I have responded exactly as per the link sent to an email found
in another thread (Moorside unsurprisingly don't post an email
address on their website)
Will see what comes of it if any.
if I get no response am I likely to keep getting pestered or can
I consider it dead and buried?
Update: I got an automated email response saying:
"Thank you for contacting Moorside Legal.
Please be advised that this mailbox is not monitored. We request
that you access our online portal at
HTML https://portal.moorsidelegal.co.uk
and follow the instructions
provided to submit your enquiry.
Alternatively, you may contact us by telephone on 0330 822 9950
between the hours of 9:00am and 5:30pm, Monday to Friday."
[/quote]
#Post#: 116090--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parking fine at my own home
DIR By: luke2397
Date: April 16, 2026, 1:29 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Just to keep this thread open.
I have unsurprisingly not had a response to my email. So my
question is what is likely to be the next step that these people
take and how can I prepare to answer?
*****************************************************
Page 4 of 4
DIR Previous Page