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#Post#: 111330--------------------------------------------------
UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: alarr
Date: February 27, 2026, 5:45 am
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During a trip, the driver of the vehicle required EV charging
and so visited a public ROAM charger. The charger itself was
accessed by driving through a pub car park, down a ramp and then
located at the back. The charger had issues starting but then
successfully completed and the driver immediately left.
I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and received this
letter in the post on Tuesday 24th February.
HTML https://ibb.co/NnKPYkDV
HTML https://ibb.co/2YCwNCMD
I did contact ROAM charging asking if they are able to help with
this parking charge and received this message. I have not yet
contacted the pub in question.
"I'm sorry to hear about the situation. However, I’d like to
clarify that we have not implemented any parking enforcement at
this location, and we do not have any affiliation with UKPC
The signage currently displayed in the car park is managed and
installed by the hotel and/or the parking enforcement company,
and it includes guidance for all users.
As we do not control or manage the on-site parking and are not
involved in any enforcement operations, we're unfortunately
unable to assist further with this matter.
I completely understand how frustrating it is to receive a
ticket, and I'm sorry this has happened. We recommend reaching
out to the hotel directly, as they may be able to support you in
resolving the issue.
What we can do is report your concerns about the signage to the
hotel directly. To see if this is something that can be
improved.
Again, I am so sorry for any inconvenience caused, and please do
let me know if you have any other questions."
The charger in question is here:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/xxZ8X5iJT7rqSL3a8.
It is not visible on
street-view due to the age however it is located roughly where
the skip is in the lower
There are no signs near the charger that say parking must be
paid nor that additional fee is required for parking while
charging the car. However as I am located very far from the
charger I am not able to get photographs of this until 10th
March.
Thanks for the help in advance
#Post#: 111340--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: ixxy
Date: February 27, 2026, 6:25 am
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This is an increasingly common problem and something EV drivers
need to be of. Unless explicitly stated otherwise EV drivers
have to assume that rules for the car park apply to them as well
(this assumes the normal signage is appropriate).
Land owners are contracting 3rd parties to install chargers, the
parking operator often doesn't even know there's a charger
there. I've driven in and straight out of car parks with
chargers unless I'm sure parking is free
ROAM are right, your best bet is to get the hotel to cancel it.
Also ask the hotel if they have leased the land the ROAM
chargers are on to ROAM, this is now common, in which case UKPC
won't have authority to enforce on those bays unless there is an
additional agreement in place which from ROAMs response there is
not. UKPC may not even know this is the case as landowners don't
think to connect the dots.
#Post#: 111348--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: February 27, 2026, 7:12 am
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Possible legal technicality;
If the landowner is directly allowing the installation of
charging points then the landowner is also allowing client's to
enter the site in order to use the apparatus - in order to use
the apparatus the client is required to form a contract with
ROAM for each charge - this could easily constitute a primacy of
contract issue.
Why would a driver need to form a contract with a parking
company when they already had a contract to use the apparatus??
#Post#: 111377--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: ixxy
Date: February 27, 2026, 9:22 am
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--- Quote from: InterCity125 link ---
>
> Why would a driver need to form a contract with a parking
company when they already had a contract to use the apparatus??
>
--- End Quote ---
Following that logic a driver using a drive through on a site
would be entering a contract for food (as opposed to
electricity) or any other onsite service, being a patron of a
pub would automatically exempt them from the contract with the
PPC. We know in reality that's not the case.
The landowner could also be intending to restrict the use of the
charge points to specific users, for specific durations or also
expect users to pay for parking on top of charging which they
convey via the parking enforcement signage. I don't see how a
vague undocumented offer to use the charger would trump the
defined offer within the parking signage. So unless there is
specific signage at the location of the chargers detailing the
terms of use for the chargers in respect of being in the car
park the general terms would apply. Unless the charge point
operator is leasing the land and bays the chargers are installed
on in which case the PPC has mandate to enforce those bays
without written consent from the leaseholder.
For the OP, IPC / IAS so no amount of legal gymnastics has much
chance of success appeal. Plan A, talk to the hotel.
#Post#: 111382--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: Brenda_R2
Date: February 27, 2026, 9:42 am
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I don't know if this has any relevance but the hotel website
advertises the presence of charging points as part of their
"stay with us we're great" blurb:
"Electric car charging points are available at the hotel for
guests"
#Post#: 111388--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: February 27, 2026, 10:06 am
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Without sight of the relevant signage (and potentially the
relevant contracts between the parties and the landowner) most
of this is probably speculation.
#Post#: 111459--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: InterCity125
Date: February 28, 2026, 3:16 am
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--- Quote from: ixxy link ---
>
> [quote author=InterCity125
link=topic=10060.msg111348#msg111348 date=1772197937]
> Why would a driver need to form a contract with a parking
company when they already had a contract to use the apparatus??
>
--- End Quote ---
Following that logic a driver using a drive through on a site
would be entering a contract for food (as opposed to
electricity) or any other onsite service, being a patron of a
pub would automatically exempt them from the contract with the
PPC. We know in reality that's not the case.
The landowner could also be intending to restrict the use of the
charge points to specific users, for specific durations or also
expect users to pay for parking on top of charging which they
convey via the parking enforcement signage. I don't see how a
vague undocumented offer to use the charger would trump the
defined offer within the parking signage. So unless there is
specific signage at the location of the chargers detailing the
terms of use for the chargers in respect of being in the car
park the general terms would apply. Unless the charge point
operator is leasing the land and bays the chargers are installed
on in which case the PPC has mandate to enforce those bays
without written consent from the leaseholder.
For the OP, IPC / IAS so no amount of legal gymnastics has much
chance of success appeal. Plan A, talk to the hotel.
[/quote]
No.
This is different because the contract with ROAM is to charge
the vehicle and as such the vehicle must be present on site in
order to charge.
That is different to a customer who enters an establishment for
their own purposes, namely; eat / drink / sleep etc - the fact
that they parked a car in the car park is therefore a clearly
separate event to eating / drinking / sleeping etc.
In the instance of a patron using a pub, the patron may or may
not use the option of onsite car parking - parking is not a
required prerequisite to using the establishment - in the
instance of charging a vehicle, the vehicle itself is a
component part of the contract to charge - therefore, using the
site to park is a clear prerequisite to charging the vehicle -
meaning it is reasonable to assume that entering the ROAM
contract to charge would include the right to be there.
I'm sure that there is some legal precedent for this but I
cannot remember which case it was!! Doh! But I'm pretty sure it
involved a garage which was set in a private estate - customers
of the garage got notices demanding charges from the landowner.
Your point about a 'Drive-Thru' restaurant is total valid and
would clearly fall into the category we are discussing since it
is reasonable that by using the drive thru you are contracting
directly with the landowner (to provide food while you remain in
your vehicle) without the need to enter a third party contract.
#Post#: 111480--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: February 28, 2026, 5:07 am
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--- Quote ---
> I'm sure that there is some legal precedent for this but I
cannot remember which case it was!! Doh! But I'm pretty sure it
involved a garage which was set in a private estate - customers
of the garage got notices demanding charges from the landowner.
--- End Quote ---
I've been involved in a similar case on PePiPoo... The argument
there was that the garage was not part of the land enforceable
by the operator (the driver had merely passed through that land
to reach the garage). In this case the waters are likely to be
slightly muddied by UKPC's contract, which I imagine covers
those bays as it was likely signed before the chargers were
installed.
We really ought to see the various signs in the car park.
#Post#: 111499--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: ixxy
Date: February 28, 2026, 6:48 am
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The garage will have been a leaseholder and therefore had rights
over the land which will have extended to the customers of the
garage but not the PPC. As I said before some landowners are
giving 20 year leases to charge point operators for a couple of
bays within a wider car park, after they have contracted with a
PPC. In that situation the PPC can't enforce on those bays. As
they don't know who is and isn't in the EV bays it screws up
enforcement. The complication here is land owners often don't
tell the PPC and many of the PPCs wont care. The OP should go
back to ROAM and ask them if they are leasing the land their
chargers occupy. If they do the PPC can't enforce on those bays
and the OP can tell the PPC to back off. Even if the PPC doesn't
it'll be a pretty solid case in court if it gets that far.
#Post#: 111535--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN - Pub car park EV Charging
DIR By: alarr
Date: February 28, 2026, 10:28 am
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Hi all,
Thanks for the help. I have called the hotel and they said they
would ask ukpc if they can cancel or reduce the fine, I've since
emailed it to them and they've passed it on.
I have also asked roam r.e. leasing the land. No response yet
but will update if I hear anything.
Thanks again
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