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Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: autolycus
Date: February 25, 2026, 6:26 am
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Hi,
The registered keeper received this NtK
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/12TzhqnyESkjw97kB_xJ3CW30P5Gxmva7/view?usp=sharing<br
/>after the driver of the car visited a pub where there was a
requirement to enter the registration number into a terminal at
the bar. The driver cannot remember if they did so.
The NtK appears to be full of errors (e.g. refers to the
Motorist rather than the Driver/Keeper).
Any advice on what to say in an initial appeal to Britannia
would be much appreciated please.
Is it worth contacting the pub at the same time as submitting
the appeal?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: Mustek
Date: February 25, 2026, 6:34 am
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Also show the back of the notice.
Your first step here is to ask the pub to cancel the notice.
It's in their best interest that their paying customers don't
get struck with parking charges. Perfect way to lose customers
I'd say.
#Post#: 111117--------------------------------------------------
Re: Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: autolycus
Date: February 25, 2026, 7:07 am
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Don't have the back of the notice available at the moment as the
keeper is away from home and only has what a housemate has
photographed and sent over. Have requested a copy of the
reverse, but I suspect it is identical to the one shown at
HTML https://ibb.co/x8dXVCk1.
Have tried ringing the pub but no answer. Will keep trying.
Presumably, even if they say they'll get it cancelled, an apeal
should still be submitted in case the pub don't actually get
round to actioning anything.
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Re: Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: Dave65
Date: February 25, 2026, 10:06 am
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Motorist is a problem.
The keeper is best to visit the pub and speak to the manager.
There is no invitation to the keeper to pay the PPN.
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Re: Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: autolycus
Date: February 26, 2026, 8:16 am
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Agree about visiting the pub, but the keeper doesn't live very
near to the pub so won't get a chance to do that for a week or
so. In the meantime, I still want to help her get an appeal in
to Britannia - especially as I wouldn't trust the pub to
actually follow through o cancelling it, whatever they say at
the time.
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Re: Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: autolycus
Date: February 26, 2026, 1:08 pm
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--- Quote from: Mustek link ---
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> Also show the back of the notice.
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--- End Quote ---
Here it is:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dTP7Ji9-dFt9d7sUFdCra7eFSTR6al5U/view?usp=sharing
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Re: Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: February 26, 2026, 2:34 pm
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Do you have (or can you get) photos of the signage?
I received a PCN from Britannia last year for the same
contravention of failing to validate a free stay.
I managed to win at POPLA on the basis that the signage didn't
state that failing to validate a free stay would incur a parking
charge. It was a different pub, but I wouldn't be surprised if
they use boilerplate language on their signs.
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Re: Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: autolycus
Date: February 27, 2026, 5:05 am
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The keeper went to the pub car park this morning and took photos
of the signage which can be seen at:
HTML https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cTmVS_pxdzX2Ns02EzC2MAH9Mt3fkVGB?usp=sharing
Although the signs say that customers have to pay upfront and
get a refund at the bar, the usual procedure is for customers to
simply enter their reg into a terminal at the bar which is
intended to be for staff only. As noted earlier, it appears the
driver may have forgotten to do that on this occasion.
On the plus side, whilst the keeper was taking these photos
today, a member of staff from the pub came out and said that
this (issuing of unwarranted PCNs) happens a lot and that if the
keeper emails the details to the pub they will get it cancelled.
To be on the safe side, though, I'd still like to help her
submit an appeal to Britannia - so any advice on what to say
would be much appreciated, please, as the deadline is only a
couple of days away.
Thanks!
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Re: Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: February 27, 2026, 5:17 am
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They should email the pub immediately then, and leave it until
the very last minute to appeal, just in case they have some daft
clause in their contract with Britannia.
I'd keep any initial appeal simple. Draft something up (as the
keeper) saying that it is disputed that the alleged
contravention occurred. This just maintains their position.
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Re: Britannia Parking PCN from pub car park
DIR By: autolycus
Date: February 28, 2026, 4:05 am
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I was planning to simply copy the Britannia appeal found here:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/britannia-parking-ntk-for-not-entering-car-reg-in-pub-the-fleece-carpark-penwort/msg103607/#msg103607
(but minus the final paragraph about them having no hope at
POPLA).
Will that do the job?
Copied and pasted from the above thread for convenience:
"I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking
charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I
will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your
client landowner.
As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL
the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper
of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even
substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no
admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions
can be drawn. Britannia has relied on contract law allegations
of breach against the driver only.
The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have
been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation
of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable.
I would also add that you have breached your own code of
practice, the PPSCoP, in that Under Annex F - Apeals charter,
(F.3.g) it stipulates that under the circumstances you cite for
raising the 'parking charge', you MUST discount the charge to
£20. You did not do that.
Britannia have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us
both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN."
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