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#Post#: 111143--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace
period-10th minute or 11th minute?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 25, 2026, 11:10 am
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There was no 5 minute 'grace' in the legislation and the full 10
minutes must elapse after the permitted parking period according
to law, which is why CEOs correctly wait until the time enters
the 11th minute.
In the example, the permitted parking period ends at 8:31.
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HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/regulation/5
Imposition of penalty charges for relevant road traffic
contraventions
5.—(1) A penalty charge may be imposed with respect to a vehicle
where that vehicle is involved in a relevant road traffic
contravention which is committed on or after the commencement
date.
(2) But no penalty charge may be imposed under paragraph (1) in
relation to a parking contravention where—
(a)the vehicle is stationary in a designated parking place and
is left beyond the permitted parking period, and
(b)the period for which it is left beyond the permitted parking
period does not exceed 10 minutes.
(3) In this regulation—
“designated parking place” means a parking place established by
virtue of an order made under section 1, 6, 9, 32(1)(b), 35 or
45 of the RTRA 1984;
“permitted parking period” means a period of parking—
(a)
that has been paid for as authorised by or under any order made
relating to the designated parking place, or
(b)
for which no charge is payable as authorised by or under any
order made relating to the designated parking place.
(4) This regulation is subject to regulations 7 and 8.
#Post#: 111182--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace
period-10th minute or 11th minute?
DIR By: X10
Date: February 26, 2026, 2:04 am
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Hi all.
I wanted to say thank you so far to everyone who has responded!
I thought this would be a simple answer as there must have been
others who have asked this or challenged it previously, but
based on the responses it seems it is not that straightforward.
[member=592]Dave Green[/member] - This made sense to me too,
however, if you go by what [member=2249]stamfordman[/member]
says, then 08:31 would be the earliest a ticket could be issued
in absence of a grace period, so if you add 10 minutes to this
it would follow 08:41 would be the earliest a ticket could be
given(?)
[member=43]MrChips[/member] - That would be great and probably
the most definitive answer, let me/us know if you found a case
[member=7970]tincombe[/member] - Apologies, I posted in this
forum as it seemed the most relevant based on the forum
descriptions, but if any mods feel it should be elsewhere please
move this thread.
[member=2249]stamfordman[/member] - This made sense to me too,
but [member=592]Dave Green[/member] and
[member=2858]sx4[/member] make valid points - if you purchase
say 30mins of parking at exactly 08:00;00 then it expires at
exactly 08:30:00, thus at 08:30:01 a valid PCN could be issued
as 30 full minutes have passed, so it follows that with a 10
minute grace period, at 08:40:01 a PCN could be issued?
You mentioned that PCNs are issued at minute intervals, I
wondered how this affects the situation, if at all.
This is why I asked the question as to how this is seen from a
legal/challenge/appeal perspective.
#Post#: 111190--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace
period-10th minute or 11th minute?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 26, 2026, 3:42 am
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I said that P&D and pay by phone sessions are issued at minutes
not seconds so yes you can be gaining up to 59 seconds of extra
time but the session is still valid throughout this minute until
the out of session interval is reached, at which point you start
the exempted 10 extra minutes.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/jZ65PJ66/Screenshot-20260226-090235-copy.jpg
#Post#: 111192--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace
period-10th minute or 11th minute?
DIR By: MrChips
Date: February 26, 2026, 3:47 am
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Agreed.
This is the wording in the "EXPLANATORY MEMORANDUM TO THE CIVIL
ENFORCEMENT OF PARKING CONTRAVENTIONS (ENGLAND) GENERAL
(AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS 2015"
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/561/pdfs/uksiem_20150561_en.pdf
The 10 minute ‘grace period’, would apply to on-street and
off-street permitted parking, whether paid-for or free of
charge. If a motorist overstays the permitted parking period a
penalty charge will only be payable for the contravention 10
minutes after the permitted period has come to an end. Therefore
a penalty charge notice can only be imposed after the 10 minute
grace period has passed.
My reading of this is if the paid for parking ends at 08:30, a
penalty charge notice could not be given at 08:40 as the 10
minute grace period had not actually passed (you were still
within it). The CEO would have to wait until 08:41.
#Post#: 111758--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace
period-10th minute or 11th minute?
DIR By: Martyn21uk
Date: March 2, 2026, 9:29 am
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Surely this is quite simple.
If a paid for ticket runs until 08:30. This means it is valid
until 08:30:59. As this is still 08:30. Therefore the 10
minutes can only start at 08:31:00. Which in turn means it will
run until 08:40:59 and the 10 minutes will be up at 08:41:00.
Therefore this is the earliest a ticket can be given.
#Post#: 112484--------------------------------------------------
Tonbridge, Code 82-Parked after expiry of paid for time,
Kinnings Row Car Park
DIR By: X10
Date: March 8, 2026, 8:10 pm
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Hi All, hoping you can help.
I received a PCN (image below) for parking as per the topic.
Parking at this car park starts at 08:00, I 'purchased' a free
30 minute ticket at 00:36 (as the ticket does not start until
08:00, so expiry on ticket is 08:30).
The PCN states "Observed From 08:36 to 08:40" and the issuing
time of the ticket was "Time: 08:40"
Based on my query and the answers in this thread in the Fire Pit
(
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/what-is-the-legalenforceable-timing-for-the-10-minute-grace-period-10th-minute-o/
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/what-is-the-legalenforceable-timing-for-the-10-minute-grace-period-10th-minute-o/)<br
/>I challenged the PCN on the basis that it was issued 1 minute
too early but it was rejected (second & third images below).
Just wondered if this is worth pursuing with a formal challenge
etc.?
Thank you all!
PCN:
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/nhAcGOT_xl.jpg
Challenge Rejection:
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/3rIGquu_xl.jpg
HTML https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/j8vPCdo_xl.jpg
#Post#: 112509--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tonbridge, Code 82-Parked after expiry of paid for time,
Kinnings Row Car Park
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: March 9, 2026, 5:52 am
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That's one of the most ridiculous things we've seen - that time
to print and serve is an extra minute....
You are right - the PCN could not have been issued until its
time stated 08:41.
We had a recent discussion revisiting this.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/what-is-the-legalenforceable-timing-for-the-10-minute-grace-period-10th-minute-o/
Are you the keeper and is the logbook up to date with correct
address.
#Post#: 112546--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tonbridge, Code 82-Parked after expiry of paid for time,
Kinnings Row Car Park
DIR By: X10
Date: March 9, 2026, 8:20 am
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Thanks [member=2249]stamfordman[/member]. (It was me that
started the thread you linked, it seemed split as to which was
right - 08:40 or 08:41, so I put the challenge in)
Yes I am the keeper and the logbook is up to date.
#Post#: 112925--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the legal/enforceable timing for the 10 minute grace
period-10th minute or 11th minute?
DIR By: X10
Date: March 11, 2026, 6:59 pm
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--- Quote from: Martyn21uk link ---
>
> Surely this is quite simple.
> If a paid for ticket runs until 08:30. This means it is valid
until 08:30:59. As this is still 08:30. Therefore the 10
minutes can only start at 08:31:00. Which in turn means it will
run until 08:40:59 and the 10 minutes will be up at 08:41:00.
Therefore this is the earliest a ticket can be given.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes I thought so too but it has sparked some debate as you can
see from the posts.
I posted my PCN based on responses here:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tonbridge-code-82-parked-after-expiry-of-paid-for-time-kinnings-row-car-park/
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tonbridge-code-82-parked-after-expiry-of-paid-for-time-kinnings-row-car-park/
#Post#: 113131--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tonbridge, Code 82-Parked after expiry of paid for time,
Kinnings Row Car Park
DIR By: X10
Date: March 13, 2026, 8:12 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> That's one of the most ridiculous things we've seen - that
time to print and serve is an extra minute....
>
> You are right - the PCN could not have been issued until its
time stated 08:41.
>
> We had a recent discussion revisiting this.
>
>
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/what-is-the-legalenforceable-timing-for-the-10-minute-grace-period-10th-minute-o/
>
> Are you the keeper and is the logbook up to date with correct
address.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hey [member=2249]stamfordman[/member], thanks so much for your
reply, as today is the last day I can pay the reduced amount
(£25 vs. £50), I just wanted to check what your thoughts were
regarding this? If you think the 1 minute difference is a clear
win at official appeal I'll wait, but if not I'll just pay the
£25 and chalk it up to experience.
Thank you!
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