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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: livolay Date: January 29, 2013, 4:24 am
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Yes I agree Cam. I didn't realize the TorroRosso & FI were so
slow. I thought the gap between those cars would be small.
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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: kartdude45 Date: January 29, 2013, 4:45 am
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maybe, we put cam and moss in the sauber and put striker in the
williams?
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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: camstubbs86 Date: January 29, 2013, 4:52 am
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is there an echo in here haha !!
[quote author=kartdude45 link=topic=220.msg2829#msg2829
date=1359456305]
maybe, we put cam and moss in the sauber and put striker in the
williams?
[/quote]
[quote author=camstubbs86 link=topic=220.msg2813#msg2813
date=1359453130]
put moss and myself up a higher car, im happy to team with him,
at sauber say. striker can go to williams. angryman can move up
into rbr or mclaren, etc because lets face it. if gazza or kart
didnt make errors they would have rolled everyone including
livo. and i dont think anyone deserves the STR or FI
[/quote]
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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: drewdawg727 Date: January 29, 2013, 4:58 am
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No one hears you Stubbs, gotta speak louder :P
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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: kartdude45 Date: January 29, 2013, 4:59 am
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ahahaha ;)
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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: Moss Date: January 29, 2013, 5:01 am
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Andrew ill post up my video and then ull see my point.
Livolay the Williams is faster then the sauber at most tracks.
And faster then the lotus and Mercedes at some tracks.
And we will shrink the field in a way everyone is happy. The
torro rosso is 3 seconds off the pace and the force India is
just a few tenths faster. Bettween the redbull and the sauber
there's maximum 1.5 seconds.
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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: livolay Date: January 29, 2013, 5:18 am
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From Race Department:
I was a bit bored and decided to do some laps around Catalunya
in Time Trial in different cars with default setup. Here are my
thoughs about cars behavior. I don't really know why, but these
traits are also quite visible in online "equal" mode. One can
question how Codemasters make cars "equal" when they are clearly
not.
1. McLaren. Fastest time 1.21.4. Got all grip in the world. Good
feel for both frontend and rearend. Feedback is solid and
constant, downforce is always there, balance is perfect. Only
slight and easy controllable corner exit oversteer. Clearly
fastest car in the game by some margin.
2-3. Ferrari. Fastest time 1.21.8. Very nice car in the first
sector, even faster than McLaren thanks to better acceleration
towards Turn 3. Loses time in Turn 9 because frontend tries to
escape without warning. Lacks front downforce. Super grip in
slow corners.
2-3. Sauber. Fastest time 1.21.8. First surprise! Clearly
downfoce level is on par with McLaren, never misses apex of
first corner (can brake very late), nice feeling in all fast
corners, can push full throttle in turns 1-2-3, control the car
only with the throttle through the complex. Loses all time in
last sector, lacks rear end grip in slow corners, oversteering
mid-corner (especially evident in Turn 5).
4-5. Red Bull. Fastest time 1.22.0. Somehow lacks downforce in
first sector, understeers in mid-corner, loses speed then you
try to force car to the apex. Otherwise pretty stable and
predictable, but there is no feeling for "supergrip" as was in
the McLaren case.
4-5. Williams. Fastest time 1.22.0. This car won the actual F1
race, so no surprise - it is fast around here. It is even faster
than McLaren in first sector, front downforce is very good.
Unstable in last sector, lacks rearend grip, clearly loses time
there.
6-7. Mercedes. Fastest time 1.22.4. Seriously lacks front end
both low-speed grip and downforce. Otherwise very agile, but
acceleration is quite bad which kills good response and
stability of this car.
6-7. Lotus. Fastest time 1.22.4. Just like in F1 2011 I hate
this car. It is very unpredictable, lacks feedback from front
wheels. You need to really focus to get something good out of
this car. Downforce levels play wildly from corner to corner,
you never know which end of the car tries to escape and when.
8. Force India. Fastest time 1.23.5. IMMA GOT NO DOWNFORCE AT
ALL. Really funny car because it is absolutely nowhere in
medium-speed and fast corners but obviously fastest car in the
game in straight line. Not much to talk about anything else, a
bit of oversteer in slow corners and thats all.
9. Toro Rosso. Fastest time 1.24.?. Lacks top speed and
acceleration. Nice feel in fast corners, but Codemaster just
made this car very slow. Understeer in slow corners, you need to
really navigate through them.
10. Caterham. Fastest time 1.24.7. Surprisingly nice handling
and response, can nail all of the apexes, no lack of feedback.
Just lacks top speed and acceleration.
11. Marussia. Fastest time 1.25.0. Good responsible car, but
lacks rearend grip, in slow corners tries to oversteer just like
Sauber. No kers, but top speed is good and a bit better than
Caterham.
12. HRT. Fastest time 1.26.0. Just slow. But stable. But really
slow. It got same engine as Marussia, but acceleration is
non-existent, you can throw car out of last corner, then go
smoke some cigars, then return and it will be still nowhere near
the first corner. Otherwise it stable (did I said that
previously?) , handles nicely, they just made it lacking a bit
of grip compared to Marussia.
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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: livolay Date: January 29, 2013, 5:22 am
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And this from Aus TT:
Here are my findings:
(Team: Best lap, all times compared to the McLaren, which was
the best)
Tier 1:
- McLaren: 1.23.266
- Red Bull: 1.23.859 (+0.6)
- Ferrari: 1.24.005 (+0.8)
Tier 2:
- Lotus: 1.24.795 (+1.5)
- Williams: 1.24.807 (+1.6)
- Sauber: 1.24.984 (+1.7)
- Mercedes: 1.25.031 (+1.8)
Tier 3:
- Caterham: 1.26.152 (+2.9)
- Force India: 1.26.536 (+3.3) // I was consistently getting
better times with the Force India over the Toro Rosso, even
though my best lap was with the latter.
- Toro Rosso: 1.26.440 (+3.2)
&
I did this test on Quick Race mode (Germany).
McLaren-1.13.868
RedBull-1.14.340
Ferrari-1.14.429
Lotus-1.15.654
Mercedes-1.15.230
Sauber-1.14.882
Force india-1.15.741
Williams-1.15.103
Toro Rosso-1.16.440
Caterham-1.16.867
Marussia-1.17.814
HRT-1.18.680
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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: livolay Date: January 29, 2013, 5:31 am
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So it seems like the Lotus is close to the Mercedes. Sauber &
Williams are quicker than them?
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Re: RACE REPORTS & PREVIEW - FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROP
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By: STRIKER Date: January 29, 2013, 12:38 pm
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Q- 2nd have done better times before as sauber is a good car for
qualify, but when it has load of fuel it loses too much
performance on breaks!
R- Start a bit slower than livo alocate the car behind gazza got
hit tryed to avoid gazza going strait to the wall but the hit
was so strong that my car stoped in the far wall break the front
wing 1 step from read! haha, that happens dude don't worry! did
12 laps with a broken front wing thats why i was slower but the
sauber is not a bad car, if we decide to put moss, stubbs and
livo in cars with similar performance as sauber we will need
extra 6 mclaren for the rest of the field! Finish in 6th lets
see if i get used to the sauber becouse it is a good car just
need a good driver!
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