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#Post#: 875--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: December 22, 2014, 6:52 am
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Well, you know, Square Enix didn't publish the novel in France,
it is Lumen Editions (google it if you want). I wrote a good
review about this novel and Square Enix read it.
About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people
as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if
you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them
to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...
#Post#: 876--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: December 22, 2014, 7:52 am
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--- Quote from: ChercheurObscur link ---
>
> About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people
as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if
you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them
to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...
>
--- End Quote ---
...What?
Are you saying that since it's Tidus' POV here, he's distorting
how people are acting through bias; or that his mere presence is
altering people's personalities to back when they knew him on
the pilgrimage?
Sorry, but I've had some crazy ideas and headcanons regarding
Tidus before, and even this is making me scratch my head a bit.
#Post#: 877--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: December 22, 2014, 8:19 am
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--- Quote from: CrystalOfLies link ---
>
> [quote author=ChercheurObscur link=topic=45.msg875#msg875
date=1419252720]
> About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people
as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if
you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them
to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...
>
--- End Quote ---
...What?
Are you saying that since it's Tidus' POV here, he's distorting
how people are acting through bias; or that his mere presence is
altering people's personalities to back when they knew him on
the pilgrimage?
Sorry, but I've had some crazy ideas and headcanons regarding
Tidus before, and even this is making me scratch my head a bit.
[/quote]
Absolutely. My theory is not nonsensical and can explain a lot
of things... but only Nojima can provide us the truth...
#Post#: 878--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: mamboitaliano
Date: December 22, 2014, 2:01 pm
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Actually Chercheur, your theory could explain a lot away. I mean
think about it. The theory about the Farplane presented in the
game is that when the living look at an image of the dead, the
living sees what they want to see, or rather how they think the
dead would react. So with Tidus' current condition, why wouldn't
his perception be off? We already know he's weak and not himself
in the audio drama, so maybe his view of the world is like a
reverse Farplane effect.
I'd personally love to see an X-3 but I'll be honest, I think
Nojima's focusing too much on this soap opera drama between
Tidus and Yuna at the expense of everything else. With the
entire world of Spira rapidly developing and rebuilding, there's
plenty of room for greater lore expansion, new enemies, new
enemies disguised as old enemies (ha!), and political tensions
because let's be real, in their current state, the people of
Spira are very vunerable to having another oppressive government
and/or religious group roll in. There's also the supposed
connection between X/X-2 and VII thats groundwork can be layed..
You get the idea.
X-3 could be a nice blend of strengthening all of the old
characters while maybe introducing a couple new ones. But
unfortunately, all we have so far is regression of old
characters, Tidus & Yuna: A Lifetime Original Drama, and a
little turd named Chuami. I'll give props to the attempt at lore
expansion and if Chercheur's crazy theory is correct, then
there's still hope for the other characters. ;D
#Post#: 879--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: Pyreflies_of_MJ
Date: December 23, 2014, 1:09 am
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--- Quote from: ChercheurObscur link ---
>
> Well, you know, Square Enix didn't publish the novel in
France, it is Lumen Editions (google it if you want). I wrote a
good review about this novel and Square Enix read it.
>
> About Tidus, I have a theory : What if Tidus was making people
as if they were still acting with their FFX behavior ? Or, if
you prefer : What if people were acting as Tidus would like them
to ? You know, like the dead and the living in the farplane...
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I did do a bit of digging and found about Lumen, and while
Square didn't translate themselves, they at east gave Lumen the
go ahead, because if there's one thing Square is serious about,
it is their copyright. They will come for you if you try to make
profit from their brand without their authorization, shut you
down, ha ha.
I just think it's interesting, because, and someone correct me
if I'm wrong - this is the first book that Square Enix has ever
released that's been translated in a language besides Japanese.
And of all the books they could have translated - like the
Ultimania guides, they choose something most people did not like
or want. XD
As far as your theory, dear Lord, how depressing that would be,
Tidus gets very little dignity here. If Nojima really wrote a
book about Tidus being "tainted", and negatively hallucinating
the actions of everyone - what in the crap!? What a completely
convoluted, annoying and unnecessary way to tell a story. That
is actually and very unfortunately becoming the modus operandi
of Square Enix. The more utterly ridiculous and complicated the
story, the better - they really need to go back to their old
form.
And well, the audio drama was mostly in the perspective of
Chuami, who could plainly see Yuna acting unusual for herself.
So I wouldn't say it adds up that everyone is being distorted by
Tiida. The book doesn't appear to be in first-person either,
which is the only way I could see the idea of distortions as a
plausibility. I remember someone else saying there are a lot of
perspective changes and that much of the novel is written in a
Haiku format - confusing to be sure. But these opening chapters
are definitely from an outside perspective looking in, so we
should be experiencing the characters the way everyone else is -
right?
I'm actually curious, is there at any point where we see either
Tidus or Yuna's inward thoughts, in the way they delivered them
in the games?
#Post#: 880--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: December 23, 2014, 1:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Pyreflies_of_MJ link ---
>
> I just think it's interesting, because, and someone correct me
if I'm wrong - this is the first book that Square Enix has ever
released that's been translated in a language besides Japanese.
And of all the books they could have translated - like the
Ultimania guides, they choose something most people did not like
or want. XD
>
--- End Quote ---
You are wrong wrong wrong.... First, Square Enix has never
released a book outside Japan, not in France at least, don't try
to say something which could mislead people. Then, Lumen has
already released FFVII On the way to a smile, and FFXIII episode
zero promise in France. I know that an other publisher has
released some FF books in Germany too.
--- Quote from: Pyreflies_of_MJ link ---
>
> As far as your theory, dear Lord, how depressing that would
be, Tidus gets very little dignity here. If Nojima really wrote
a book about Tidus being "tainted", and negatively hallucinating
the actions of everyone - what in the crap!? What a completely
convoluted, annoying and unnecessary way to tell a story. That
is actually and very unfortunately becoming the modus operandi
of Square Enix. The more utterly ridiculous and complicated the
story, the better - they really need to go back to their old
form.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's your opinion, not mine for sure.
--- Quote from: Pyreflies_of_MJ link ---
>
> And well, the audio drama was mostly in the perspective of
Chuami, who could plainly see Yuna acting unusual for herself.
So I wouldn't say it adds up that everyone is being distorted by
Tiida. The book doesn't appear to be in first-person either,
which is the only way I could see the idea of distortions as a
plausibility. I remember someone else saying there are a lot of
perspective changes and that much of the novel is written in a
Haiku format - confusing to be sure. But these opening chapters
are definitely from an outside perspective looking in, so we
should be experiencing the characters the way everyone else is -
right?
>
--- End Quote ---
I don't know what Haiku is.
--- Quote from: Pyreflies_of_MJ link ---
>
> I'm actually curious, is there at any point where we see
either Tidus or Yuna's inward thoughts, in the way they
delivered them in the games?
>
--- End Quote ---
There are some inward thoughts but too short compared with those
in the games.
#Post#: 881--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: kk
Date: December 23, 2014, 10:38 pm
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I don't know about the XIII novels, but the VII novels got an
official translation from Square, didn't they? I just know I got
a copy of the novels in English when I bought the Advent
Children movies. Pssh. Of course their beloved VII gets
translated, but you guys have to do all the hard work of
translating a X novel yourselves. Dang spoiled FFVII fans. They
get it all! xD
It's a shame that they won't release the Ultimania's in English!
I'd take those over a novel any day! So many interesting
factoids.
#Post#: 883--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: Pyreflies_of_MJ
Date: December 24, 2014, 9:43 am
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--- Quote from: ChercheurObscur link ---
>
>
> You are wrong wrong wrong.... First, Square Enix has never
released a book outside Japan, not in France at least, don't try
to say something which could mislead people. Then, Lumen has
already released FFVII On the way to a smile, and FFXIII episode
zero promise in France. I know that an other publisher has
released some FF books in Germany too.
>
--- End Quote ---
I wasn't refuting what you were saying, my bad. I'm not trying
to say that Square did the translations themselves or officially
published it, just that they must have given the authorization
for them to be translated by that company, I presume. That's
what I mean by Square releasing it, without their approval there
would be no published translations of any kind. So even though
they didn't translate/publish it, they are still releasing it,
in a sense. Almost like how they released this remaster, which
they actually outsourced and didn't work on either. :p
I didn't know about those other things that were translated,
though, interesting.
Oh, and Haiku is a traditional form of Japanese poetry that is
very precise and specific about how lines are written. A certain
amount of syllables must be used for each line. It seems like a
rather restrictive/confusing way to write a novel, but I am no
Haiku expert by any means.
#Post#: 884--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: Pyreflies_of_MJ
Date: December 24, 2014, 9:48 am
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--- Quote from: kk link ---
>
> I don't know about the XIII novels, but the VII novels got an
official translation from Square, didn't they? I just know I got
a copy of the novels in English when I bought the Advent
Children movies. Pssh. Of course their beloved VII gets
translated, but you guys have to do all the hard work of
translating a X novel yourselves. Dang spoiled FFVII fans. They
get it all! xD
>
> It's a shame that they won't release the Ultimania's in
English! I'd take those over a novel any day! So many
interesting factoids.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, it wouldn't surprise me if Square was willing to do extra
stuff for FFVII because they are always being extra with that
game. They stayed annoying me with all the FFVII spinoffs and
things, damn. And fans are still talking about wanting a remake
- no, let that thing die and move on.
And God, yes, I've always wanted the Ultimania guides in
English. But we will see pigs fly and hell freeze over before
that happens. T_T
#Post#: 885--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: Zanark
Date: January 4, 2015, 5:13 pm
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So ... is the translation of the novel still going or is it
dead? I've been silently reading everything on these forums the
past two days ... after all, this is the only place to get
reliable information on the novel.
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