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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: kk Date: December 20, 2014, 11:22 am
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Yeah, I totally understand you, Pyreflies!
I'm in it for morbid curiosities sake. There are actually some
things about the novel I don't mind. A few details even that I
like, or at least, find intriguing as a POSSIBILITY for the
future of Spira/the characters, though I wouldn't want it to be
canon by any means But for the most part, I'm just... even
though I think most of the book is a crapshoot, I just have to
know what it says. xD I'm trying so hard to give it a chance,
but it's... difficult, when it honestly feels like Nojima just
doesn't care about the well-developed characters and
relationships that were given to us... the plot itself is
interesting, but why did you have to do it at the expense of
being in-character???? My favorite thing about the FF series is
it's characters. They are what invest me in the games. So, to
see them torn apart and lazily stitched into some caricature of
themselves just for the sake of the novel/audio drama saddens
me.
It's disappointing that they couldn't think of a way to continue
the series by going FORWARD, instead of back. Because most
things I've seen so far have been doing just that. Let's not
create a new villain, let's just bring back Sin. Let's not
develop the characters further, let's just make them the way
they were YEARS ago. I'm reserving my final judgement until I
know more, because MAYBE it will get better...... but for now.
I'm not comforted by the contents of the book. ;_;
BUT, I am very very interested in them. I can't help but be
intrigued in this insanity... and in trying to figure out
Nojima's thought process for why he wrote these things....it's
just such a trainwreck. I keep thinking, tHERE MUST BE A
ULTIMATE REASON. There has to be some logical explanation for
him writing these things. I want to believeeeee. xD But... there
probably is none. Sigh.
#Post#: 856--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: CrystalOfLies Date: December 20, 2014, 12:19 pm
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I think, much like Pyreflies, if Nojima had made this story a
silly alternate timeline, kind of like a 'what-if' that could be
delved into by fanfiction and not meant to be taken seriously,
that this could be all right in my book and everyone else's. I
mean, those ten/eleven years that X-2 came out, it was all
pretty much set in our heads that Tidus and Yuna lived happily
ever after and died of old age together. Now after all that
time, Nojima just goes 'lol tidus died a few days after and yuna
might not love him any more.' Quite frankly, it's absurd and an
insult to the die-hard fans of FFX: Sinzilla and X-2: Requiem
For A Tidus.
#Post#: 857--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: ChercheurObscur Date: December 20, 2014, 1:49 pm
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It seems like I have forgotten a lot about FFX-2 because the
characters behavior doesn't surprise me. ???
Pyreflies_of_MJ : You sould read Kush's and Valm's history, it
is quite short but very sad...
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg855#msg855 date=1419096173]
Let's not create a new villain, let's just bring back Sin.
[/quote]
I disagree with you. Sin is not the villain here.
#Post#: 858--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: kk Date: December 20, 2014, 2:14 pm
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Oh, no, I understand that Sin isn't the villain in the novel,
but I'm criticizing both new additions at once, haha. The novel
AND the audio drama, as it's looking more and more like the two
are interconnected! It seems like the events of the audio drama
don't make as much sense WITHOUT the novel, so in a way, one
can't exist without the other.
#Post#: 859--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: mamboitaliano Date: December 20, 2014, 2:32 pm
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All we need from this book is an update from Kimahri "The Ronso
no longer respect Kimahri for being a Guardian and kicked him
out of their tribe because of his broken horn" and there's
plenty of time to drag Wakka's racism out of the grave with all
of this new Albhed lore! Seriously though, Yuna's regression is
absolutely disgusting, Lulu's regressed to the point that it
makes her look like she has a mental disorder, Rikku just seems
odd, and even Wakka's backtracked quite a bit. He was maturing
at the end of X-2, calming down, finally comfortable in his own
shoes.. He seems to be none of that here.
I think Pyreflies hit the nail on the head when mentioning the
sense of FAMILY that's being ignored in this novel. Every time
you turn X on, a video of everyone solemnly sitting by a fire is
shown. Those characters, despite their own personal troubles,
were coming together and saving the world from a 1000 year
CURSE. They were oppressed, had no hope for their futures, and
the world as they thought they knew it was dissolving right
before their eyes. Yet here they are sitting by a fire, pushing
through fear and overcoming obstacles both personal and global
TOGETHER. X-2 showed all of them maturing, regaining hope,
growing confident in their futures. As corny as that game got
sometimes, the character development was absolutely
beautiful...And there's Tidus, progressing in X from foreigner
to friend, a voice of optimism in a world with little hope
(there's an NPC early in X, I can't remember where, who wondered
whether the next Calm would even last a year!)
I just feel like Nojima has completely forgotten all of this. He
wants to introduce a new enemy? Fine. Does Sin have something to
do with this new enemy? Also fine. Just pleaaasssee don't mess
with the character development! He's forgotten the growth of his
characters and reduced them to mere caricatures of their old
personalities. Lame.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: CrystalOfLies Date: December 20, 2014, 3:05 pm
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That's true. 'Family' was one of the main themes of X. Seven
people, all different in personality, life goals, opinions and
futures; going against the entire world and the corrupt system
it's being held under just to bring peace to a land which might
not even last very long. Six of those people are all loosely
related to their past lives and try their best to support and
comfort their shaken summoner, knowing how much of a demented
hellhole Spira really was; a literal spiral of death.
The seventh person, Tidus, has no connections to any of these
people save for Auron. He came from a much more comforting world
and, thanks to the contrast, immediately noticed and questioned
Spira's traditions and cultures. He came from somewhere where he
could be genuinely happy, and Yuna and the others seeing this
gave them the strength to go on. If it weren't for his optimism,
Yuna might have given up hope too early. If it weren't for his
curiosity, Yuna might have never contemplated the
behind-the-scenes of Yevon's church. In fact, if he wasn't even
there, Sin might very well have killed them all at either
Operation Mi'ihen or Zanarkand Dome. So despite only knowing
these people recently, he was just as vital to the journey and
deserved a place in their circle. Their family, if you will.
Here comes the novella. People are already forgetting what he's
done for them and his friends are not welcoming to him. The very
position that brought him close to the gang (foreign and
out-of-touch) is now isolating him and making him doubt himself.
Alas, poor Tidus! I knew him, Nojima.
Once again: I don't hate the novella as much as I used to. I've
gone from wanting to burn the book in molten magma to just...
pitching it aside and taking it in jest. Just treating it like a
fanfiction that's moderately more interesting than average, you
know?
#Post#: 861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: mamboitaliano Date: December 20, 2014, 3:39 pm
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"It seems like I have forgotten a lot about FFX-2 because the
characters behavior doesn't surprise me."
Chercher, they still have their quirky personalities, but the
negative extremes of those personalities were recognized and
gradually changed through X & X-2.
For example:
-Yuna at start of X: Is a do-gooder, but is also docile and a
complete doormat.
-Yuna post X: Still a do-gooder but because of what she's been
through, she's bolder and understands that she needs to stand up
for herself and her wants.
-Yuna in this novel: Back to being docile and possibly a doormat
tbd..
#Post#: 862--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: ChercheurObscur Date: December 20, 2014, 4:08 pm
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In the case of Yuna, she is not as docile as before. It's just
she feels responsible of what happened and doesn't want to
abandon those who believed in Yevon. But during FFX-2, Tidus was
more important for her, it can't be helped. Furthermore, in the
next chapters of the novel, Yuna unmoors the boat in which Tidus
goes into earlier, in order to have a romantic moment with him,
without warning someone (Tidus was sleeping during this time).
Finally, know that Yuna and Tidus will argue about her future.
#Post#: 863--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: mamboitaliano Date: December 20, 2014, 4:22 pm
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I understand all of that Crystal, maybe Yuna wasn't the best
example.
#Post#: 864--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: ChercheurObscur Date: December 20, 2014, 4:42 pm
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Well, I'm Chercheur not CrystalOfLies, the Yu Yevon avatar must
have misled you ! :P
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