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#Post#: 1041--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: Danko Kaji
Date: July 11, 2015, 4:41 am
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Hello! Fanfic writer Danko Kaji here! It's nice to meet you all.
:D
I just wanted to say I truly appreciate all these threads and
discussions, but most of all your thorough translation of the
novel. I would love to continue reading The Price of Eternity
until the very end, regardless of its half-hearted and
convoluting narrative, because I want to respect its canonical
quality. Speaking of which, I wanted to ask if it's alright for
me to conduct a Restoration Project (or complete rewrite) of the
novel, giving you full credit as the main inspiring source of
the whole translation. I don't know if it's just me or it's the
writer in me who sees a challenge, but I see so much untapped
potential in this that I want to jump in and explore/flesh it
out completely.
Again, I really appreciate what you're doing here. I apologize
for saying nothing before.
#Post#: 1042--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: July 11, 2015, 5:20 am
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That would be nice! Actually, I was thinking of making a
one-shot fanfiction of Tidus' narrative from Will, segregating
into a potential scenario and set-up for X-3. It'll only be
borrowing a few elements from X-2.5 though because frankly, I
can't keep up and weave around all these weird plot points.
I think now that I'm proofreading the excerpts from the novella,
I can see why those other translators chose not to go further:
It's just so disheartening and a jarring transition from the
feel-good nature of X-2's ending. I feel like Nojima somehow is
doing too much for the source material, yet not staying true to
it at the same time.
It's sad because FFX and X-2 were a big part of the stage when I
was growing up. I loved the characters, their interactions and
the unique world in which it was set, and it inspired me to
create my own fantasy worlds. But reading [i]this[/i] after
having the uplifting ending of X-2 imprinted in my mind after
all these years just feels strange and wrong. It feels like I've
been had. Cheated out, even. And the audio drama didn't help.
And now there's apparently some sort of alternate reality-Spira,
the characters are behaving oddly, among other things. 'Oh, but
don't worry, they'll explain it all in X-3.' But... it's been a
year and a half and no official news has come out about the
matter in that time, apart from interviews. Just because there
were interviews with a creative team who has little to no say in
the company's business means that X-3 is confirmed. Just because
the remaster came out on the PS4 doesn't mean X-3 is confirmed.
I just think Square realised their mistakes and just left the
bonus material 'up to interpretation,' because sequel baiting a
12-year-old game pretty much just left FFX in an unresolved,
head-scratching limbo.
#Post#: 1043--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: July 11, 2015, 5:23 am
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--- Quote from: CrystalOfLies link ---
>
> Actually, it seems like someone already translated the whole
of the novel and put a plot summary on FFWiki:
HTML http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2.5_~Eien_no_Daish%C5%8D~
>
> To be honest, I'm not really interested in this novella any
more; I think it's too convoluted. And I've all but given up
hope that SE are going to follow up on this with a sequel.
>
--- End Quote ---
Actually, I have been aware of it for a long time, but since
it's just a summary, it doesn't make explicit the conversations.
That's why I dediced to carry on this translation. If you don't
want to fix it anymore, I can ask someone else, like Danko Kaji
for example.
--- Quote from: Danko Kaji link ---
>
> Hello! Fanfic writer Danko Kaji here! It's nice to meet you
all. :D
>
> I just wanted to say I truly appreciate all these threads and
discussions, but most of all your thorough translation of the
novel. I would love to continue reading The Price of Eternity
until the very end, regardless of its half-hearted and
convoluting narrative, because I want to respect its canonical
quality. Speaking of which, I wanted to ask if it's alright for
me to conduct a Restoration Project (or complete rewrite) of the
novel, giving you full credit as the main inspiring source of
the whole translation. I don't know if it's just me or it's the
writer in me who sees a challenge, but I see so much untapped
potential in this that I want to jump in and explore/flesh it
out completely.
>
> Again, I really appreciate what you're doing here. I apologize
for saying nothing before.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for your support ! I'll be delighted to let you
rewrite the novel. Actually, I didn't except people to read a
great translation. It's just sufficient for the understanding.
Just be aware that Kush speaks in very polite way, so don't
throw away the fact that she uses of the polite "vous". If you
have an english equivalent, that's fine.
EDIT : Oh my mistake, you were thinking of writing a fanfic ?
Aside from that, I'm surprised that no one thinks Ifahnal has
murdered Tidus. :)
EDIT 2 :
--- Quote from: CrystalOfLies link ---
>
> And now there's apparently some sort of alternate
reality-Spira, the characters are behaving oddly, among other
things. 'Oh, but don't worry, they'll explain it all in X-3.'
But... it's been a year and a half and no official news has come
out about the matter in that time, apart from interviews. Just
because there were interviews with a creative team who has
little to no say in the company's business means that X-3 is
confirmed. Just because the remaster came out on the PS4 doesn't
mean X-3 is confirmed.
>
--- End Quote ---
You know, Shuyin controled directly people in FFX-2, so the fact
that Tidus may control people's mind doesn't seem abnormal.
#Post#: 1044--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: July 11, 2015, 5:37 am
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Actually, I think it'd be more beneficial if Danko did the
proofreading from now on. :P It would give them some time to
think over how they should re-word the conversations in their
rewrite.
I'll just leave the translation thread unlocked from now on, if
that's okay with him/her.
#Post#: 1045--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: July 11, 2015, 5:52 am
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But people could post comments in this thread. It would be
better to give him/her rights, no ?
#Post#: 1046--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: Danko Kaji
Date: July 11, 2015, 5:55 am
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As much as I wish to jump into it straight away (I've done heavy
ground work for Chapter 1 already, and a thorough outline for
half the novel), I'll be leaving on a month-long trip to
Bulgaria to visit my family. I don't doubt there will internet
there, but considering it's my first time out of the country and
everyone from my cousins to the entire neighborhood wants to
meet me, I won't have any free time. But I can promise to finish
Chapter 1 and present it to you before I leave in two weeks.
Also, I don't plan to post the Restoration novel until I
complete the entire thing.
I see. When it comes to the characters mannerisms, I won't
hesitate to ask for clarification! :D
Oh, did Ifahnal really murder Tidus? It was either too vague for
me to notice or I assumed it was one of those remnant Bedohls
leftover from the War. Regardless of who exactly threw the bomb,
I thought the inhabitant reacted like anyone would if someone
intruded on their home/territory. Especially considering we look
through such narrow filters, we immediately jump to the
conclusion an outside force harbors some deep, personal plot
against Tidus or Yuna. (By the way, which chapter reveals/hints
that Ifahnal killed Tidus?)
Fanfic? Yeah. It's not like I can profit out of novelizing a
novel. As a fanfic, I can not only revise and flesh out all the
original source material, I can add additional (fanon) material
loyal to canon continuity. Example: Baralai, Gippal, and Nooj's
side of the same time span, such as agreeing to personal
interviews with Shelinda after their speech, and the Crimson
Trio traveling together and having heart-to-heart talks on their
way back home. It'd fall within the same time span as the entire
novel (which is less than a week, I believe, before the Perfect
Ending six months later), and I want to weave in the Last
Mission as well. I don't know. I've just got big plans for a
FFX-3 fic, and I want to build up towards Will with an in-depth
story.
I've seen a couple attempts at a FFX-3 story preceding -Will-
and the novel, which are commendable and amazing, but I want to
explore an entirely different angle than just the "epic
deconstruction and restoration of Tidus/Yuna love story." I want
FFX-3 to be about Spira, the state of the world, the issues and
conflicts that are disrupting the natural order of the world.
And I want to write that narrative through Baralai, the
Chancellor of the Spiran Council, because he's the perfect
position. If anything, the three main characters will be Yuna
and Tidus, of course, and Baralai as the new entrant (with his
mother, ex-Summoner/now Head Coordinator of the Senders, and his
father, ex-Guardian, a Monk/Assassin character who's the main
man of reconnaissance behind the Yevoner Hunters issue, as main
OCs), and Chuami and Kurgum as main supporting. I have so many
ideas, I've been plotting them out on paper and blog posts.
Link to my Tumblr post about the mechanics of pyreflies and my
headcanon to the whole 'What is Tidus?' controversy.
HTML http://dankokaji.tumblr.com/post/122688875547/mekhack-dankokaji-lureofthesea
Oh, yeah. And I'm a woman. Not that I'm offended or anything,
just felt like clarifying. XD
I'm alright with the unlocked thread. (Does that mean you
temporarily locked it thinking there's no point in keeping open
for the public?)
#Post#: 1047--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: July 11, 2015, 5:58 am
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Hm... I'm not really sure how to mod someone on this website.
I suppose we could just encourage people to post their opinions
elsewhere. I put a notice on the starting post in the
translation thread. Anybody who posts on the thread will just
have their comment deleted/moved.
WAIT. Wait-wait-wait, Denko. I recognise you from FF.Net. You're
the person who writes all that BaralaixYuna stuff, aren't you?
:P
#Post#: 1048--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: Danko Kaji
Date: July 11, 2015, 6:01 am
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As for the 'Tidus is warping people's behavior' concern, I
believe in that possibility to a certain extent. Although I do
believe Tidus's existence is quite turbulent, if not sensitive
(less so than before he officially died), I don't think it's
right to use it as an excuse why everyone's "acting strange" for
our liking, let alone play it up for dramatic effect. Tidus may
be incomplete, but he's a benevolent sentient being.
Oh, man, now I really want to type up my version of Chapter 1 to
show how exactly I interpreted it. I guess you can say it's my
way of justifying their behavior? Or my way of filling in the
blanks using my imagination. Should I send Chapter 1 through
private email or post it in its own thread?
#Post#: 1049--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: July 11, 2015, 6:14 am
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Well, since Danko seems to be busy, I hope you can carry on with
the translation COL !
Why do I assume Ifahnal murdered Tidus ? Well... if you remember
something related to gunpowder, you may have you answer. I'm
sorry, I don't want to say more for the moment because I plan to
post an article about this on a website (a french one), and I
don't want to spread the information yet.
#Post#: 1050--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: Danko Kaji
Date: July 11, 2015, 6:19 am
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--- Quote from: CrystalOfLies link ---
>
> That would be nice! Actually, I was thinking of making a
one-shot fanfiction of Tidus' narrative from Will, segregating
into a potential scenario and set-up for X-3. It'll only be
borrowing a few elements from X-2.5 though because frankly, I
can't keep up and weave around all these weird plot points.
--- End Quote ---
Ooh, me, too! I want to write an entire, cohesive plot that
encompasses all the separate canon stories (novel, Last Mission,
-Will-), and perhaps call it 'The Eternal Cost Reborn In One
Year' or something to that effect. We can feed off each other's
headcanon and inspire our writing. :3
--- Quote from: CrystalOfLies link ---
>
> I think now that I'm proofreading the excerpts from the
novella, I can see why those other translators chose not to go
further: It's just so disheartening and a jarring transition
from the feel-good nature of X-2's ending. I feel like Nojima
somehow is doing too much for the source material, yet not
staying true to it at the same time.
>
> It's sad because FFX and X-2 were a big part of the stage when
I was growing up. I loved the characters, their interactions and
the unique world in which it was set, and it inspired me to
create my own fantasy worlds. But reading [i]this[/i] after
having the uplifting ending of X-2 imprinted in my mind after
all these years just feels strange and wrong. It feels like I've
been had. Cheated out, even. And the audio drama didn't help.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hmm, I suppose the reason why I'm not
disheartened/disgusted/shocked by the novel's content because I
never invested myself in the Good/Perfect Endings? And don't
hate me when I say this, but I never placed the Tidus/Yuna
pairing on a high pedestal either. I love Tidus, I really really
do, I adore that little baby. He's the reason why I learned to
naturally question the world around me growing up, questioning
what's normal and what's not. And I passively like the
Tidus/Yuna relationship; I respect it more than anything else.
The Yuna I love in FFX-2 wouldn't have existed without Tidus.
Unfortunately, my feelings for the pairing soured because of the
fandom, but I still do like it.
However, what made the sequel such a brilliant story to me was
Yuna's personal journey. I enjoyed watching her take initiative,
wear her hair loose with her girlfriends, explore the world and
reconnect with people. I love that. And when I earned the Normal
Ending my first playthrough (with no knowledge of alternate
endings whatsoever), I turned off the game with a happy note.
But then the fairy-tale, feel-good, half-baked 'Tidus is back bc
the Fayth finally decided to reward Yuna for saving the world a
second time' endings pissed me off like nothing in the world.
Okay, if you're going to bring Tidus back, at least do a good
job of it. Even Nojima robbed me of that satisfaction. With the
inclusion of the novel and audio drama, I'm intrigued, but I am
left with wanting more.
So, yeah. Stuff like that motivates me to write fanfiction. To
fill in the missing pieces with the help of what canon they were
gracious enough to leave for us obsessive dedicated fans.
--- Quote from: CrystalOfLies link ---
>
> And now there's apparently some sort of alternate
reality-Spira, the characters are behaving oddly, among other
things. 'Oh, but don't worry, they'll explain it all in X-3.'
But... it's been a year and a half and no official news has come
out about the matter in that time, apart from interviews. Just
because there were interviews with a creative team who has
little to no say in the company's business means that X-3 is
confirmed. Just because the remaster came out on the PS4 doesn't
mean X-3 is confirmed.
>
> I just think Square realised their mistakes and just left the
bonus material 'up to interpretation,' because sequel baiting a
12-year-old game pretty much just left FFX in an unresolved,
head-scratching limbo.
>
--- End Quote ---
I don't know what to say about that. I've stopped caring what
the businessmen/artists say. I've stopped waiting for more news.
I'm just eager to write my own story about it.
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