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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: May 30, 2015, 6:13 am
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Well, I would say that's because Sin, guardians and summoners
are no more. Tidus and Yuna were fighting for the same purpose
at that time. I'm repeating myself here, but they were fighting
like a guardian and a summoner above all else, not like a
couple. Their conversations, their minds... they were certainly
different at that time.
Now, they live like a couple above all else, that changes
everything in my opinion. Furthermore, Yuna want to stay close
to Yevon, but Tidus disagree. It doesn't help to calm the
situation.
So, I'm not sure about Yuna's real traits, but am I wrong with
what I've said ? ???
But it's true that the events come one after another very
quickly, and I admit this is disturbing.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: kk
Date: May 30, 2015, 2:10 pm
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Tidus' portrayal doesn't bother me. He's 17 after all. I think,
like in the game, in this novel he sometimes is totally
immature, but then at other times, he shows his maturity. I
think the novel should have a bit MORE maturity, considering
everything he's gone through and how much character development
he underwent in X, but whatever. I can live with it. :p
However, I absolutely find the idea that Yuna thinks he's being
a 'child' and that it's a source of annoyance for her to be
ridiculous. In X, it seems like so much of the reason she fell
in love with him was because of how light-hearted he was. I
understand that the circumstances were different in X, and that
she needed him to be more childlike then because the darkness of
her pilgrimage. BUT, in X-2, she herself becomes much more
childlike and free-spirited, inspired partially by him. (I think
Rikku, too, but also him!) So, what's the problem? Why, in a
matter of days, has she gone from loving and even admiring those
traits of his, to being annoyed by them? Sure, absense makes the
heart fonder, but... Yuna seems like practically the most
accepting person in the world, in both games. She almost never
says or thinks a bad thing about a single person in the games,
from what we see. Why is she suddenly so judgemental???
That whole thing feels so fabricated JUST for the sake of having
relationship conflict, in my opinion. Why do this when there's
plenty of other, less stupid things they could be arguing over.
:p
Like, I can totally see Yuna's support of Yevon and her
compulsive need to involve herself in Spira's well-being (even
if it means ignoring her own personal wants, like, spending time
with him) as a source of conflict for them! I think they were
onto something with that. But this??? No. >_>
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: May 30, 2015, 3:11 pm
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Exactly. I'm not bothered by Tidus' portrayal all that much, but
Yuna's is a real shock for me. She can even be considered
unlikeable.
She dressed similarly to him with her Gunner dressphere and even
mimicked his battle stance with her Warrior one. His outspoken
and rash quotes inspired her to become a sphere hunter and go on
a journey for herself. She recalls all their times together,
even practically acting like him... and now she's being all
like, "Hmph! He did this and that, and won't even do this or
that! He's being so optimistic! What a child!" She's a bit of a
hypocrite to be honest. :P
Everybody can say, "Oh, but this is part of the story! It'll all
make sense later on! You just don't get it and you judge too
quickly!" But that's exactly it. It's like Nojima is just
creating all this contrived drama to stir up a ruckus, and then
passing it off as 'plot' to excuse himself. It's a completely
convoluted way of telling a story. I know Spira is known for its
deep lore but this is just silly. Next you'll be telling me that
this novella isn't in chronological order.
Do you know why I loved the TidusYuna dynamic so much? It's
because their relationship didn't have this drama that is
scattered throughout the book. I thought it was very sweet how
they just got along, admired each other and taught each other
without any of these 'buts' and 'I wishes'. It's meant to be a
fantasy story after all, and I thought the notion that they were
complete opposites and were created for one another was
adorable. It's a literal 'When the Sun met the Moon'
relationship.
I thought Nojima would at least tribute this, considering that
we spent one game building up their love and another trying to
reunite them. But no. I can't feel the romance anywhere in this
story. Tidus gets ditched, later on she tells him that she's
going to follow Yevon again then they get washed up. Tidus is
feeling lonely and is trying to 'regain her confidence' while
Yuna seems completely oblivious or uncaring, suddenly judging
every little thing he does. They feel more like acquaintances
that were forced to work together rather than a couple.
This is a complete change to the formula. A sudden one without
any explanation; it was established as soon as the novella
started. As a long-time fan of the FFX universe I feel like this
novella (and by extent the audio drama) isn't thanking me for
being a fan, but rather slapping me in the face and mocking me
for being one. But hey, it's just my opinion. And I'm getting
worked up again.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: kk
Date: May 30, 2015, 3:55 pm
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I do like the idea of them having conflict, because irl, couples
fight, and I love realistic relationships... but I don't want
that conflict to be at the expense of their characters, either!
If they weren't getting along for reasons that actually made
SENSE, I would have no issue with it! I'm not a fan who thinks
my favorite characters and ships are without fault. But this
whole drama between them is like reading those terrible fics
where one half of the couple cheats on the other or does
something else entirely unlikely, just so that the author can
create drama, to eventually romantically reunite them in some
huge dramatic way. :P I expect more from an official novel...
I do appreciate that Yuna clarifies that she wants to be with
him, regardless. But for me, that doesn't excuse her acting
bizarrely towards him... not speaking to him for hours, and then
being annoyed at him when they finally DO spend time together.
That's not the Yuna I came to know when playing the games, and I
agree: this is not the couple I watched grow together in X, and
rooted for in X-2. :/
I feel kinda lame for focusing on the romance of the story more
than aything else, because I know there are other interesting
things going on, but at the same time, their love is one of the
huge reasons that X & X-2 are dear to so many fans. And so far,
I agree: I don't think Nojima is respecting or paying homage to
that. It's really upsetting, because I enjoy many things about
this game, but what comes foremost for me is the CHARACTERS and
their relationships. That's what made me absolutely fall in love
with the games. And these new additions don't seem to put any
emphasis at all on those things... :/
THAT SAID, on a somewhat related note... would you guys mind if,
if I gave you full credit for the translation and linked back to
here, if I kind of rework this translation a little bit and
reposted it somewhere? I think some of the people who follow me
on my blog would be interested in reading this, but the way Yuna
and Tidus speak in this is very different to how they sound in
the games, and I think that would throw people off. So I'd like
to rewrite the dialogue a little to make it sound more like
them! Not to change or alter the translation at all, just
like... reword it, basically. The meaning of their words would
be the exact same, just expressed differently, basically. :p I
write a lot of FFX fic & roleplaying, so I think I have a fairly
decent grasp of how their characters speak in the English
version, so I'd like to make it try to sound that way, if that
makes any sense?? It's not a matter of me wanting to change the
translation or anything, I just want to kind of make their
dialogue sound more like it does in the games.
It just kind of sounds like a sort of fun project to do for me,
since I love writing as the FFX characters in roleplay and fics
anyway. But I'd be tweaking your translation just a tiny bit, so
if that bothers you, it's totally okay if you don't want me to
do that!!! If you would rather that I didn't, I have no issue
with that! I'll just keep on reading your great work, no matter
what ^^
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: May 30, 2015, 4:06 pm
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Hey, that's a good idea. I write a fair bit of FFX fanfiction
myself (I'm even working on an AU right now, and pretty much all
I've written is TxY fluff and stories) so it'll be nice seeing
how you handle it.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: May 30, 2015, 4:54 pm
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I don't mind, do as you want. :)
I was just watching again some scenes in FFX-2 and I found
something very interesting. It's about the final meeting between
Shuyin and Lenne. I'd like you to remember their position
because... well you'll see soon. :P
Also, when did Lenne enter Yuna's body ? It could affect her
traits, what do you think ? It's just an idea, don't take it too
seriously.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: June 17, 2015, 2:50 pm
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Sorry everyone, I'm a bit busy at the moment.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: UltimaGriever
Date: June 17, 2015, 8:19 pm
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After much stress involving moving multiple times (and I still
am! I'm starting to feel like a nomad) I'm back! :)
Yuna did seem a bit out of character. But, at the same time, she
seemed scared - the island looked like Besaid, but everything
about it seemed off: Tidus acting like nothing was wrong kind of
put her off. It's a natural response when you are afraid of
something and somebody else acts like it's not a big deal. It's
not like when she was on her pilgrimage, when she knew her
destiny and had to face it head-on, but something that was
entirely out of her control: she was completely lost, stranded
on an island that looked like Besaid, but at the same time
didn't; didn't have the slightest bit of hope of finding a way
to go back and her partner and former guardian acted like a
child and sort of demeaned her by acting like it was no big
deal. Anyone would act that way, I think.
#Post#: 1039--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: ChercheurObscur
Date: July 10, 2015, 1:34 pm
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The next chapter will be released tomorrow (saturday). :)
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: July 11, 2015, 4:12 am
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Actually, it seems like someone already translated the whole of
the novel and put a plot summary on FFWiki:
HTML http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2.5_~Eien_no_Daish%C5%8D~
To be honest, I'm not really interested in this novella any
more; I think it's too convoluted. And I've all but given up
hope that SE are going to follow up on this with a sequel.
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