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#Post#: 786--------------------------------------------------
Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: ChercheurObscur Date: December 3, 2014, 3:35 am
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[center]I'm currently working on a full translation, with the
help of CrystalOfLies and kk[/center]
[center]The translation is available in a second topic set up by
CrystalOfLies
State of progress
[...]
Chapter 32 : 2 / 2 pages
Chapter 33 : 12 / 12 pages
Final Chapter : 3 / 3 pages
--- 265 / 265 pages ---
VICTORY FANFARE !!!
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[center]Information must only come from the french translation
or a reliable source ![/center]
[center][b]What can I expect from this topic ?
[size=12pt]Everything ! You can ask any questions !
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: kk Date: December 3, 2014, 9:10 am
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Yay! :D
Well, let's see... here's a few I can think of off the top of my
head!
1. Addressing rumors and complaints that reviewers had: Is Yuna
cold to Tidus? Does she seem less in love with him than she was
in X and X-2? Are the rest of his friends cold or unwelcoming to
him?
2. More rumor clearing up: Is Tidus unusually sexual? Follow up
question: Did they or did they not have sex on the boat? And is
that why the boat crashed??? xD
3. How does Tidus die and how is he revived? I know we've
cleared up how he died, now, but some more detail would be nice!
4. More explanation of Yuna losing her memories and how she got
them back would be nice, too!
5. Wtf is going on with this Sex Fayth method stuff?! Is it
real?? If it's not used by Yuna and Tidus in the book, why is it
even mentioned at all? Did Ifarnal and Kushu even know each
other before they had sex?? Because FFX made a big deal of 'you
have to have a strong bond to create the Final Aeon'. Is sex
itself, regardless of whether or not you actually KNOW the
person, considered bond enough, haha? That's taking the
'bonding' part quite literally, isn't it? You don't have to
actually have an emotional connection, just need to have...
connected bodies. xD I'm just curious because this little tidbit
about old summoning methods is interesting, but seems out of
place in the generally rather PG Final Fantasy world.
6. What is the significance of the island, and the dead
summoner(s?) who inhabit it? What relevance do they have to
FFX/Tidus and Yuna/the plot of the novel/games? Basically, why
is Nojima telling us their story, is what I want to know... o.o
Surely there must be some kind of 'lesson' or significance to be
had from their story, right?
7. Also, if you want to fill us in on what their story even IS,
that'd be cool, too. xD
8. Ifarnal "had children as an unsent". Does it say (or hint at)
who these children are? Was it/they conceived when Kushu and
Ifarnal made the aeon, or is it Ifarnal's and someone else's?
I'm curious as to whether the child was born 100% unsent or just
half... or... is it some kind of special state of being because
the Sex Fayth method... just wondering what it means to be a
child of an unsent. o.o Also whatever happened to the child?!
9. "If either figure out, the process would be "undone"', in
reference to Tidus' revival. So, at the end of the novel... what
exactly do they and do they not remember? Do they remember the
things on the island that happened before and AFTER the revival,
just not the revival? Or do they not remember anything at all
from the island? And does 'coming undone' mean Tidus would die
again, or... what?
10. What is the overall feeling at the end of the novel? Are
they happy, sad, hopeless, hopeful? I know you said the very end
is the Perfect Ending, but what about before that? I'm just
trying to get a feel for what the message/point of this novel
is...
11. What connections does this have to the Audio Drama? It
introduces beckoning, yes? Do you think any of the events in the
novel foreshadow or explain the events of the Audio drama?
12. Oh, yeah! What ever happened to the Briah person?! Do they
say? Are they on the island, too?
Also, thank you sooooooo much for doing this! Seriously! Even if
it turns out I don't like the details, it will give me so much
comfort to finally have them. As a huge fan of the game, it's
been so terrible being in the dark about all this stuff.
And for the record if anyone ever hears of or wants to embark on
a project for the effort of a full translation into English, I'd
do my best to offer donations and such!! I've seen a few
projects like that for other novels/Ultimanias etc. on forums,
so apparently, that's a thing that people do, right? :P
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: pierpaolo Date: December 3, 2014, 1:55 pm
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Merci ChercheurObscour! Vive la france from an Italian fan :)
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: ChercheurObscur Date: December 3, 2014, 1:55 pm
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I will update this post as soon as I can, in order to answer all
your questions (Thereafter, I will provide a file with all the
answers in the first post) :
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
1. Addressing rumors and complaints that reviewers had: Is Yuna
cold to Tidus? Does she seem less in love with him than she was
in X and X-2? Are the rest of his friends cold or unwelcoming to
him?
[/quote]
Yuna is not cold to Tidus, it's just she thinks about what she
must do in the future (Working for Yevon or not ? etc.). Tidus
is a little hard with her about this, so it does not help to
defuse the situation. But his friends are very affectionate with
him, his mind is just a bit dark and thereafter he becomes
angry. Wakka is gentle, Rikku is gentle (but she has an argue
with him), etc.
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
2. More rumor clearing up: Is Tidus unusually sexual? Follow up
question: Did they or did they not have sex on the boat? And is
that why the boat crashed??? xD
[/quote]
Tidus is a bit... flirtatious. Well he's a man. But he doesn't
think "I want to do her !". He just want some good time with her
: for example, they kiss, this kind of things.
I can't say if they have sex on the boat, there is an ellipsis.
But that's not why the boat crashes. The boat crashes because of
the violent sea, but... it seems the cause was a bomb in fact...
because Tidus smells gunpowder at this moment. I don't know more
about this.
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
3. How does Tidus die and how is he revived? I know we've
cleared up how he died, now, but some more detail would be nice!
[/quote]
Tidus dies because of the ball which hits him on the back (as
said in the previous topic, the translation is correct). This
ball is a bomb from Zanarkand (see also the rundown "1000 years
ago"). About his revival, Yuna gathers his pyroflies thanks to
her powerful will. It's named "beckoning" in the previous topic.
Tidus becomes an "incarnate spirit". Thereafter, Yuna is woken
up by Tidus. I don't have more to say.
Just so you know, I think Tidus was murdered and I will explain
why later (too long, too complex).
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
4. More explanation of Yuna losing her memories and how she got
them back would be nice, too!
[/quote]
Read "Ifarnal / Yuna 1st conversation". Then, you need to know
that Tidus and Yuna meet Kushu (as an aeon) soon after but their
conversation becomes "weird" (it is very difficult to explain, I
plan to translate this moment) and Yuna discovers that Tidus is
an incarnate spirit.
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
5. Wtf is going on with this Sex Fayth method stuff?! Is it
real?? If it's not used by Yuna and Tidus in the book, why is it
even mentioned at all? Did Ifarnal and Kushu even know each
other before they had sex?? Because FFX made a big deal of 'you
have to have a strong bond to create the Final Aeon'. Is sex
itself, regardless of whether or not you actually KNOW the
person, considered bond enough, haha? That's taking the
'bonding' part quite literally, isn't it? You don't have to
actually have an emotional connection, just need to have...
connected bodies. xD I'm just curious because this little tidbit
about old summoning methods is interesting, but seems out of
place in the generally rather PG Final Fantasy world.
[/quote]
I need your attention here : Kushu is found half naked in
Ifarnal's room, but nothing allows me to confirm a sex scene !
Ifarnal's fayth method could only be some... "foreplay". This
point is very difficult to elucidate ! When Ifarnal hands down
this knowledge to Yuna('s mind), she blushes. But she is not
outraged. So maybe it is really just "foreplay".
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
6. What is the significance of the island, and the dead
summoner(s?) who inhabit it? What relevance do they have to
FFX/Tidus and Yuna/the plot of the novel/games? Basically, why
is Nojima telling us their story, is what I want to know... o.o
Surely there must be some kind of 'lesson' or significance to be
had from their story, right?
[/quote]
The island is a summoning from Ifarnal ! It's about the Besaid
from 1000 ago ! If you want to know more about this island and
the connexion with Ifarnal, read the rundown "1000 years ago".
Ifarnal uses a lot of fayths to make it appear.
Ifarnal wants to send Kushu into the farplane, because Kushu's
body remains in Besaid Island (the real one, not the summoning),
but he doesn't know where her body is exactly. So... Tidus and
Yuna' arrival is a good opportuny... (It will merge with what I
said before about Tidus being possibly murdered)
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
7. Also, if you want to fill us in on what their story even IS,
that'd be cool, too. xD
[/quote]
I will provide a file with details about the global story. Just
let me some time :P
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
8. Ifarnal "had children as an unsent". Does it say (or hint at)
who these children are? Was it/they conceived when Kushu and
Ifarnal made the aeon, or is it Ifarnal's and someone else's?
I'm curious as to whether the child was born 100% unsent or just
half... or... is it some kind of special state of being because
the Sex Fayth method... just wondering what it means to be a
child of an unsent. o.o Also whatever happened to the child?!
[/quote]
TUTUTUTUTU FALSE INFORMATION DETECTED ! :P
Ifarnal did'nt have children. But Briah had ! In fact, He had
one daughter named Luchera. But her name was changed to Mohra
because under pressure from... Bevelle. It is a bit strange when
you know people from Bevelle's side took names from divinities
like this "Luchera" (Kushu, Ifarnal, etc.). Briah's wife is
named Meroh, someone normal. So no sex-method. Unfortunately she
died from torture. The culprit is... Bevelle. Bevelle wanted to
know how she knew about "Anli's eye", a star. Because Anli is a
divinity too, like Luchera. So it seems Bevelle has some shame
about its past... At the end, Mohra died of old age.
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
9. "If either figure out, the process would be "undone"', in
reference to Tidus' revival. So, at the end of the novel... what
exactly do they and do they not remember? Do they remember the
things on the island that happened before and AFTER the revival,
just not the revival? Or do they not remember anything at all
from the island? And does 'coming undone' mean Tidus would die
again, or... what?
[/quote]
They remember everything about the island. Only the death's
moment remains unknown to Tidus (Yuna remembers it).
'coming undone'... Well even for me it is difficult to find an
answer for now :-\
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
10. What is the overall feeling at the end of the novel? Are
they happy, sad, hopeless, hopeful? I know you said the very end
is the Perfect Ending, but what about before that? I'm just
trying to get a feel for what the message/point of this novel
is...
[/quote]
At the very end of the novel, Tidus seems to be enthusiastic, he
wonders about his condition but seems happy. Yuna detaches
herself a bit, she is very worried about Tidus and his state
(incarnate spirit).
Before this ending, Tidus and Yuna witness Briah and Kushu's
meeting. It is very beautiful but very strange and very sad too.
Tidus tries to prevent Briah from going (into the farplane I
suppose). Yuna barely speak. It is better to read this moment in
order to understand it well. Kushu leaves (with Bria I suppose
too) at the end.
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
11. What connections does this have to the Audio Drama? It
introduces beckoning, yes? Do you think any of the events in the
novel foreshadow or explain the events of the Audio drama?
[/quote]
Yes, it introduces beckoning. It explains why Tidus seems weak.
About the return of Sin... I wonder who wished for this.
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
12. Oh, yeah! What ever happened to the Briah person?! Do they
say? Are they on the island, too?
[/quote]
As you know, Briah is in fact Valm. So read the rundown "1000
years ago" to know about his past. Briah's memories were
constantly erased by Ifarnal each time he was on Besaid or each
time he remembered Kushu. But his memories come back when he
meet the Al Bheds (Rikku, Shinra, etc.)
After some events, he meets Ifarnal and fight him. Thereafter,
Ifarnal dies of a bomb (like the one for Tidus). To know what
happened next, read the answer to the question 10.
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
Also, thank you sooooooo much for doing this! Seriously! Even if
it turns out I don't like the details, it will give me so much
comfort to finally have them. As a huge fan of the game, it's
been so terrible being in the dark about all this stuff.
[/quote]
You're welcome ! ;)
[quote author=kk link=topic=45.msg788#msg788 date=1417619421]
And for the record if anyone ever hears of or wants to embark on
a project for the effort of a full translation into English, I'd
do my best to offer donations and such!! I've seen a few
projects like that for other novels/Ultimanias etc. on forums,
so apparently, that's a thing that people do, right? :P
[/quote]
If I was good with english, I would have translate the novel
(for free), but unfortunately I am not :(
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: CrystalOfLies Date: December 3, 2014, 1:58 pm
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Thank you so much for doing this.
Ah... so Al Bhed is the corrupted more modern term for 'Alb's
Bedohls'? And their power was the cause of the Machina War? How
interesting. If you don't mind, I can fix up some of these
translations to make them easier to read and post them here.
By golly, you did it. I don't hate the novel nearly as much now.
Sure it has some flaws, but everything including the characters
is a lot more understandable now, and there is a lot of
potential for a sequel barring the disappointing re-summoning of
Sin.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: ChercheurObscur Date: December 3, 2014, 2:24 pm
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[quote author=CrystalOfLies link=topic=45.msg791#msg791
date=1417636714]
Ah... so Al Bhed is the corrupted more modern term for 'Alb's
Bedohls'? And their power was the cause of the Machina War? How
interesting. If you don't mind, I can fix up some of these
translations to make them easier to read and post them here.
[/quote]
I glady accept your offer ! You can provide me the correction in
PM. ;) (of course I will write your name in the first post as a
courtesy)
#Post#: 794--------------------------------------------------
Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: ChercheurObscur Date: December 3, 2014, 3:25 pm
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That's why I wanted you to give me the correction in a file :P
It takes too much place in the topic :-X Can you give your
files ? I will insert them in the first post (with your name)
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: CrystalOfLies Date: December 3, 2014, 3:28 pm
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Ah, okay. I'll delete the original post and send you it in the
PM. You'll just have to copy and paste the whole thing.
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: ChercheurObscur Date: December 3, 2014, 4:07 pm
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Fiouu, a bit hard to do a good OP ;D Is it ok CrystalOfLies ?
:D
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Re: Final Fantasy X-2.5 : The Truth
By: kk Date: December 3, 2014, 4:50 pm
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Ooooh, looking forward to more info! The stuff we have so far is
very enlightening! :D
So, what is it that Tidus needs to save Yuna from??? Or will
that be explained later? o:
Also, just to confirm: Tidus and Yuna still DON'T have any
memory of his revival, right? So... what do they think happened
on the island? Or do they remember everything else that
happened, just not his death and his revival? If Tidus changed,
then, after his second revival... wouldn't Yuna have noticed?
O.o
Well... I can say that I guess I'm glad there was no X-3 because
with all of this information, combined with the audio drama...
I'm fairly certain that Yuna or Tidus would recover her memories
and he'd thus be killed off... again. For a third time. xD
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