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#Post#: 617--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: katielizabeth
Date: March 30, 2014, 9:52 am
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Hi all, newbie here!
Now, this is just my opinion, but, considering that my love of
the entire world of Spira was THE best thing about my childhood
and still means so much to me, and considering the whole idea
that 'new and improved things are never as good as the originals
from the past', I would rather the novella nor -Will- existed.
Honestly, I would rather have LESS canon for Spira, and have no
potential of X-3 because of how disappointed I am. The only
reason I would like X-3 now is to try and straighten out this
mess, and that isn't the way it should be.
I was talking to my cousin, who adores FF too, and she said that
-Will- was just like a 'soap opera' and I can't think of a
better explanation than that. I am genuinely so gutted, I feel
like my whole childhood has been crushed!
Sorry to be a mardy bum! But I need to talk this out with
people! >:(
#Post#: 619--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: March 30, 2014, 10:17 am
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Haha, no problem. We're all pretty much in the same boat as you
for the time being.
It's sad because... given the things we've learnt recently about
Tidus' difficult nature and the Farplane troubles... this could
have actually been a decent setup. A sequel where after Tidus
comes back, he finds out that not everything about himself is
normal, as he is able to do and go through things that normal
human beings can't. Pyreflies_of_MJ once said that she would
like a story in which Tidus is able to talk to the dead, and
also communicate with fiends. That IMO sounds great, and allows
for some new lore to be set up with how the fiends live and how
the dead in Spira exactly work. Heck, we might even get some
more backstory on the 'Fiend World' that one of the Fiend Tales
mention.
It has potential, I'll give you that much. But it could actually
be really great if it was... just written differently. Take out
the 'soap opera' stuff between Tidus and Yuna, throw in a new
threat instead of recycling Sin, get rid of the 'memories
erased' thing, make Kurgum and Chuami slightly more likeable,
make Tidus actually mandatory to the characters instead of just
the plot, change EVERYTHING about the novel except the
crucial-to-the-story bits and bam. Solid ingredients for a
sequel.
#Post#: 620--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: katielizabeth
Date: March 30, 2014, 10:37 am
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--- Quote from: CrystalOfLies link ---
>
> Take out the 'soap opera' stuff between Tidus and Yuna, throw
in a new threat instead of recycling Sin, get rid of the
'memories erased' thing, make Kurgum and Chuami slightly more
likeable, make Tidus actually mandatory to the characters
instead of just the plot, change EVERYTHING about the novel
except the crucial-to-the-story bits and bam. Solid ingredients
for a sequel.
>
--- End Quote ---
Agreed. The idea that Yuna brought Tidus back (although a bit
repetitive due to ff x-2) would be good if some sacrifices have
been made for that. It's realistic that the fayth having to put
effort into bringing back a life that was already a dream would
perhaps send the farplane into disarray.
More information into the process of pyreflies/farplane/fiends
etc would be fascinating. And the Tidus link mentioned is
actually a brilliant idea. God, that would be great actually...
SE TAKE NOTE!
I actually feel like we are being mocked here. I mean, the fact
that FFX is a massive emotional development for Tidus, ending up
with him sacrificing himself for Yuna and Spira, and THEN having
Yuna going through a journey of her own to get him back...and
they just break up in a way that reminisces high school
romances! I'm so devastated.
If they really had to break them up...make it epic! Make it plot
worthy! Don't make it so melodramatic!
#Post#: 621--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Ananda
Date: March 30, 2014, 12:32 pm
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If they hadnt written so much drama in the novella and will, and
put more effort and intelligence in the story, i would've been
actually happy for a X-3, but, like katielizabeth said, her
childhood is literally crushed, mine too :-(
And i know that many here are feeling the same as katielizabeth
and me.
If they do a X-3, (which they said they werent, but i know
theyll do it) then, atleast i hope they try to fix all that mess
in an intelligent and amazing way, because i think
(surprisingly) that this could have a good plot if they arrange
it well, lets just hope it turns out ok at the end.
#Post#: 622--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Ananda
Date: March 30, 2014, 12:46 pm
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--- Quote from: kk link ---
>
> Wait, but doesn't this novel take place about 3 months before
last mission??? So... ??? Yuna's unhappy with Tidus at the end
of the novel, but is happy during the time of Last Mission (3
months later)? Then unhappy again at the time of the audio
drama...? x___X
>
--- End Quote ---
WTH!?
Now that i think of it, it is
Because in the beginning of the novel is where Tidus narrates
his experience at the happy ending of X-2, and of the
celebration after the reunion, what SE is thinking?!
I thought the timeline was this one:
FFX
Eternal Calm video
FFX-2
Last Mission
Novella
Will
(Supposedly) FFX-3
Seriously, why will and novella had to exist!?
When they first announced the audio drama, i thought it was a
brief happy story with everyone happy together, Tidus and Yuna
happy, in love, Wakka and Lulu happy with Vidina, and Tidus
babysitting him (XD i strangely always want to see Tidus
babysitting Vidina, since i think it will be funny to see it)
Rikku with Gippal around Spira salvaging machina, Paine with
Baralai maybe, Kihmari visiting Besaid, Tidus and Yuna visiting
their parents and Auron at the farplane, Yuna and Tidus going to
the Moonflow, since he promised her theyll go together, and just
everyone happy, even Tidus joining the Gullwings!
And everyone happy that Tidus is back, everyone celebrating for
his return and for Yunas success of saving Spira once more, and
them being the famous couple of Spira: The high summoner who
lived and save the world twice, and the most amazing legendary
guardian who change the spiral of death by sacrificing his life
and to save her and to save Spira, because Tidus deserves some
credit, i see that no one said that because of Tidus' sacrifice,
Spira is save, but since in the novella everyone doesnt want
him, im not surprised!
So i thought everything was fine, that my favorite characters
were going to be fine and happy together as a big family, but i
guess the only thing that could make me happy is to write my own
fanfiction of it!
And im sorry if i wrote TOO much, but i wanted to take this out
of my chest :-)
#Post#: 624--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: katielizabeth
Date: March 30, 2014, 2:17 pm
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I just feel like with my 200 approx. hours of gameplay of X and
X-2 I deserve something better than this. FFX was my gateway FF,
and I've been a fan of it ever since. It feels like an insult
quite frankly.
Jesus, I wish they had just took some of the fic [i][i]Fumbling
Towards Ecstacy[/i][/i] and just made that canon, because that
was far better written and explained and in character than this!
Although I was hoping for -Will- to be a happy ending, I would
have been more than happy with introducing - or even hinting at
- new threats. The fact we got neither of these is something I
just can't get my head around.
#Post#: 626--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Ananda
Date: March 30, 2014, 9:53 pm
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--- Quote from: katielizabeth link ---
>
> I just feel like with my 200 approx. hours of gameplay of X
and X-2 I deserve something better than this. FFX was my gateway
FF, and I've been a fan of it ever since. It feels like an
insult quite frankly.
>
> Jesus, I wish they had just took some of the fic
[i][i]Fumbling Towards Ecstacy[/i][/i] and just made that canon,
because that was far better written and explained and in
character than this!
>
> Although I was hoping for -Will- to be a happy ending, I would
have been more than happy with introducing - or even hinting at
- new threats. The fact we got neither of these is something I
just can't get my head around.
>
--- End Quote ---
Exactly. I feel its a BIG insult for us th fans of X X-2 and as
she said Fumbling Towards Ectasy was far better than that!!
And if someone of you my friends expected a happy epilogue, the
best thing to do is to write your own happy ending of the story
in fanfiction.
#Post#: 630--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: March 31, 2014, 12:06 pm
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You know what? That's exactly what I thought the audio drama
would be, too. (Dammit, I forgot about the Moonflow. Y U NO
remember, Nojima? ;_;) Just a sweet, short little story
detailing everybody's lives in the Eternal Calm. It would have
made a nice and humble little addition for the saga's 10th
anniversary. Heck, when the game was released, they had
promotional events and posters for Tidus and Yuna as a couple!
And near its release in the US, they had the balls to make
Valentine's Day trailers for FFX/X-2, despite them clearly
knowing what BS they made Tidus and Yuna go through in the new
content. That's just... foul, Square. It's the very definition
of sugarcoating.
Eternal Calm? More like Eternal CHAOS! Har har.
So... damn. This is like, anti-fanservice. Instead of Sir Tidus
being welcomed home, everybody's like 'GTFO you're not one of
us!'. All of his friends don't seem to care for him. His
personality's almost been completely butchered by pseudo-edgy
'dialogue'. He dies AGAIN, and only after a few days of getting
revived. His current state is pretty much a zombie with slightly
muffed emotions. Meanwhile, Yuna goes through 'Drastic Character
Change 2: Electric Boogaloo,' and once again resorts to cryptic
lies. Seemingly forgetting that the whole reason she was married
by a dead half-Guado insane Maester was because she lied to/hid
Jyscal's sphere from her guardians.
The sad thing is, we're really not kidding when we say that
fanfiction has done better follow-ups than this. This is just...
sinful. (geddit harhar-/shot)
EDIT: Holy crap, you know what I just realised? The last line
that Tidus speaks at the end of the Good Ending is 'I wanna hear
everything!'. Before all this came out, many people speculated
that all of X-2 was a flashback, and Yuna's narration segments
are her telling the events to Tidus after he came back, much
like how most of X is a flashback, with Tidus' narration
segments telling everybody his point of view of the pilgrimage.
This CLEARLY doesn't match up with X-2.5. Instead, Yuna goes off
and does her own thing, leaving Rikku and Paine to make sure
Tidus is up to date with everything that went on. And it
couldn't have been Yuna just talking to herself to keep her
company. Her story clearly began with, 'It all started when I
saw this sphere of you,' and even directly refers to Tidus by
pronoun a few times.
lul, nearly all of the canon's been fired out of a cannon and
into a fire, apparently.
#Post#: 634--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Ananda
Date: March 31, 2014, 8:01 pm
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CrystalOfLies you're right! I just realized that too!
Yuna was telling Tidus her journey in the quest of finding him
in her X-2 narration, and Yuna just left Tidus with a very
****ed off Rikku and Paine in the novella, that doesnt fits with
Yuna's happines of telling Tidus what happened in her journey. I
remember, i had imagined that, after the ending of X-2, Tidus
and Yuna will meet Lulu and Wakka, everyone happy to see Tidus
and Yuna together, and then Rikku comes screaming happily to
welcome Tidus in a bear hug, happy to see her big like-brother,
not this annoying Rikku who screamed bipolarly at Tidus, like if
she was in her days for Yevon's sake!
They all looked so OOC, I thought everyone will be happy, and
ill love to see the Moonflow scene, and even how Brother reacts
with Tidus' return! (I always wnated to see how Tidus and
Brother could handle that XD)
So, its very deprising to see everyone so cold towards Tidus,
one of the things that i loved from the X cast, is that everyone
were like a family, but now...
P.S: CrystalOfLies, keep telling me about your ideas of X-3 on
the other column of Your own X-3 story...:-)
And everyone is invited to tell their own X-3 story on the Your
own X-3 story... site as well
#Post#: 636--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Internal Medicine Doctor
Date: March 31, 2014, 8:27 pm
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The desire of fans aside, you do bring up a reasonable point
CoL; Tidus asked Yuna to explain everything that had transpired,
and regardless of whether Yuna was doing so during the narrative
of the game he would've had no reason to ask her that if he had
Rikku and Paine detail everything previously.
That must mean that both of them losing their memories is
concrete...
but it also means that they were loving and supportive of each
other even after the events in the novella, which doesn't
necessarily pair up with the events in the drama that imply they
were strained in their relationship due to what happened in
Eternal Cost.
So Nojima has cut off the head of previously established canon
and sewn a monster head in it's place.
What a scary man.
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