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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: SilverPrince
Date: March 27, 2014, 8:38 pm
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And you're not very good at debating if you're just going to ad
hom and not address any of the points. How many Star Wars novels
are there? How many are going to get tossed out the window when
Episode VII comes out? If they conflict with the movie's canon,
they get thrown own, they're not canon.
#Post#: 607--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: SoraxWare
Date: March 27, 2014, 11:58 pm
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I'll explain in further detail then.
This novel was included with copies of the game in Japan. It's
written by the original writer of both X and X-2. The reason
it's called "X-2.5" is because its an immediate continuation of
the story. Tetsuya Nomura (character designer) has said it's a
story they wanted to give to the fans detailing what happens
between X-2 & the audio drama (and ultimately, eventually, X-3).
If you go ahead and listen to the audio drama, they reference
exact events that occur in the novel. Which means the novel is
canon. I'm not sure why you don't understand this (I'm sure for
absolutely no reason at all you're going to disagree with me).
Also, there's a note on the cover of the novel and on the last
page that reads "Was there more to their story...?" and at the
end of the book it ends with "To be continued in -Will-".
That's a direct link between the two stories.
Your example of "there's lots of Star Wars novels"... yes. There
are... They're ALL published fan-fictions. They're not
attempting to be considered canon.
This novel, "Eternal Cost (still think it should be Price For An
Eternity)" is written by the SAME people who wrote both of the
games. It's the same creative mind who thought up the world.
It's just as canon as "Birth By Sleep" was when that game was
released on PSP. It being on a different form of media has
nothing to do with anything if it's by the official creator.
If you don't read the novel before listening to the audio drama,
you are going to be confused. You are not going to know what's
happening because everything that's missing from -Will- is
explained in the novel.
The audio drama doesn't explain:
Who the two new characters are clearly.
Why Yuna and Tidus aren't together anymore.
Why Sin is coming back.
Why Tidus is bandaged around the head (reference to the
explosion and the fact that he wasn't revived properly).
I really hope you understand now, if not, then there's nothing I
can do for you. But yes. This novel is ENTIRELY canon. It isn't
a fan fiction. It isn't an 'optional' story that isn't going to
be brought up again. It's called 2.5 for a reason. It's leading
the fans into X-3 in the form of a book. An official book by the
official creators. Not a book written by some loner-nerd who is
obsessed with the game and made up some stupid story.
There you go ^_^
#Post#: 608--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: SilverPrince
Date: March 28, 2014, 12:38 am
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I thank you. I wasn't aware that the novel was included with the
game and thought it was a standalone thing. I also didn't know
about the, "Was there more?"
I know there's more to it than the book and novella say too.
Yuna and Kurgum saying the exact same things to their
companions, with Kurgum saying only summoners can understand is
indicative that Yuna broke it off with Tidus for the "summoner
thing", and told him she loved someone else in hopes he wouldn't
pursue. And besides that, if they made an X-3 and ruined the
relationship between Tidus and Yuna permanently, that'd enrage
so many fans. Square Enix is already walking a tight rope with
fans after XIII(-2)(-3), they'd be idiots to rock the boat even
further.
And.. I'm not trying to<i> totally</i> deny it being canon, I
apologize for it coming out that way. I just see so many flaws
with it, and that seems so unlike the team. FFX was an amazing
game. There weren't very many loose ends left over, there was a
lot of subtle foreshadowing that only makes sense you're second
playthrough ("What if she comes on to me?" "That's.. not gonna
happen."), and they delicately wrapped players around their
fingers. To put out something with so many contradictions to the
original, and something that takes a perfectly closed story and
bust it open seems so unlike them. Especially since the
Ultimania interview where they mentioned the worlds of FFVII and
FFX being related, meaning there is a perfect place for them to
expand with a sequel.
All I'm wanting to do is propose an alternative. To let people
read the novella and listen to the audio drama, critically
examine them, and decide for themselves what they believe..
until such a time when there's an X-3 and it'll be undeniably
canon. Seems a little pointless I know, but what if this is the
end? You've seen the Amazon reviews on the Novella I'm sure and
read all the hate for 2.5, a lot of fans hate it. Where does all
this get left if this is where it ends? While I don't know if
you'll agree with me, I hope the logic at least seems sound.
I'm still going to read the Novella, but I'm going to do it in
two ways.
1. Loosely and with an open mind.
2. With the intention of not letting it soil the first two
games.
Until X-3 is at least announced and has a plot synopsis.
#Post#: 609--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: city
Date: March 28, 2014, 5:03 am
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I think we should keep in mind that while this is
technically[i][/i] cannon, it's not acutally cannon to the
English speaking audience (and any not Japanese, I should
imagine). So while it is cannon in the sense that it is part of
the story, unless it gets an English release, it would be as if,
in the Western world it's not cannon - get what I'm sayin'?
For example I had no idea that FFVII had comic books, so I had
no idea they were cannon, while I understood that 7, Advent,
Dirge etc were cannon I never knew the comic books were. Okay,
hope I made myself clear and like I said, this is just how I
think about the matter.
#Post#: 610--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Freyja
Date: March 28, 2014, 10:02 am
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I agree with what SoraxWare is saying.
In the Final Fantasyīs games there are just a few materials
that can tell us about the history, universe, characters, etc:
Games, films, novels and CD Drama. (Itīs understood that they
all are supposed to be canon)
FILMS: We only have seen a movie of FFVII.
GAMES: Prequels and sequels of FFX (FFX-2) // FFVII (The entire
compilation) // FFXIII (FFXIII-2 and Lightning Returns).
NOVELS: FFVII: On the Way to a Smile and The Kids Are Alright //
Final Fantasy XIII Episode Zero // and now the new FFX-2.5
All they are a real part of the universe of the original games,
that means they are canon. I have never questioned about the
fact of the FFVII novels or FFXIII being canon, why we refuse to
belive it this time? Because the writting is terribly bad, the
most of us feel itīs wrong, or at least we think "wtf Iīm I
reading?" hahaha
I think that we should respect this fact, but that dosenīt mean
we have to share it: So we can go on believing that is not
canon, or that is canon, we will be right in both cases ^_^
#Post#: 611--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: March 28, 2014, 10:21 am
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Actually, now that I think about it, does anyone think that
having Tidus' whole personality completely altered is Nojima's
way of changing his character so that people would stop
complaining about his attitude from X in a potential sequel?
Cause that's what it feels like to me.
I swear, if Tidus' character pulls off a moody guy/Advent
Children in X-3, I probably would scream. (All right, so his
life sucks at the moment. Like, real bad. But he wouldn't be the
type to sit around and moan about it. He'd go out and try to
change it. Or at least... the Tidus from FFX would. :'() I
always had the feeling that he was a bit... off in Will. Like,
he doesn't want to fight for anything any more and just accepts
what comes his way. (Yuna leaving him, his injuries, etc.)
So yeah, it's safe to say that I agree with Pyreflies. Frollo,
if you please.
"-holds 2.5 over a well- This monster is an unholy demon. I'm
sending it back to Hell where it belongs!"
#Post#: 612--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: kk
Date: March 28, 2014, 10:31 am
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I'm still dubious on whether to consider this canon. Earlier it
was reported that the audio drama was canon but that the novel
doesn't HAVE TO BE- you just take the main points, since SE
never usually considers novel SUPER SRS canon. But I don't
remember if that was said by someone reputable, or just us
trying to make sense of what was going on, haha. Also, how are
they gonna give us a canon story where Sin is revived, one of
their most beloved couples are on the fritz, one of their most
favored characters has a supposed daughter, and the world has
just all together gone to sHIT... and then just leave it there?
Like... that just seems weird to me. xD;; I JUST... DON'T...
UNDERSTAND. T_T
Everything seems pretty okay until the end, like was said. ;_;
Her having a little trouble adjusting to Tidus'... I think I've
talked about it earlier, but I'm on the fence. I hope that it's
that she's uncomfortable because, she's still sorta uneasy about
the fact he came back from the dead basically. Her being
bothered by his personality doesn't really... make that much
sense... not when she's been running around like she has in X-2.
Not when she fell in love with him at the VERY EARLY stages on X
where he was still a huge derp. So, I'm thinking, maybe it comes
off as coldness, but it's actually fear?? Because what if he
disappears again. Or something... liek that. I'm not bothered by
them having sex (it sounds like it was tasteful enough), or
comments about her appearance. (This IS the guy who zooms in on
Lulu's boobs with binoculars. l:) I'm... deeply confused about..
the dick jokes.............. ??????????????????? Like... what...
hahaha. But whatever. I can excuse it. FFX and X-2 had to be
T-rated. Maybe secRETLy this made sense for his character... I
don't effing know. Or maybe he's trying (but failing) to lighten
the mood for her. (Though, I would THINK he has a slightly
better grasp for Yuna's humor because............. I can't
imagine that amusing her, lol.)
But I'm actually interested in the idea that the reason Yuna
pulls away after the island thing, is because of tainted
memories are effecting him. I can see her pulling away, if for
no other reason than... GUILT. Technically, she did this to him.
Right? But how would they fix something like that-- messed up
memories?
And I still don't understand why Nojima felt it necessarily to
kill him off again AT ALL. He was /ALREADY REVIVED/ mere DAYS
ago. Couldn't you have just made him act weird from the get-go,
and blamed THAT on tainted memories from when the Fayth brougth
him back? His second death looks like it's going to be very
off-handed and just... wtf????
And what makes me more mad is the fact that SE said they have NO
PLANS to continue this???? >.e So...
if this IS canon...
THIS Is the final note they want to end FFX's story on????
Ruining everything and then ComplETELY leaving everything up to
our imagination??? That's just... such bull... it makes me mad.
>__>
...Sorry, this kinda just turned into an off-the-rails rant. I'M
JUST... BAFFLED... in a bad way. A really bad way. Lol. But
still intrigued. Sigh.
#Post#: 613--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: kk
Date: March 28, 2014, 8:04 pm
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Wait, but doesn't this novel take place about 3 months before
last mission??? So... ??? Yuna's unhappy with Tidus at the end
of the novel, but is happy during the time of Last Mission (3
months later)? Then unhappy again at the time of the audio
drama...? x___X
#Post#: 615--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Ananda
Date: March 30, 2014, 12:11 am
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I hate this thing! I dont even have any hopes in SE!
C'mon! Did u really had to DESTROY MY FAVORITE COUPLE AND
STORY!? Even our dear translators dont want to continue 'cause
it was traumatizing!
And i dont even want to know what they are planning with suppose
X-3, seriously, my brain is still burning, still trying to
figure out what Nojima was thinking when he was writing, did he
want to destroy everything on purpose? Mental problems? Revenge?
I atleast will like to have a little hope on this, but i dont
know what to think anymore.
Thanks to: our translators, thank you so much, even though u
guys couldnt continue, but thanks :-)
And thanks to: Sora! Thank you soo much for your help in this
translation, maybe we can finally see an official translation,
thank you so much! :-)
And Yuna's and co. Coldness, im pissed off with that, wish i
could comfort Tidus right now, it feels like everyone doesnt
want him there, and everybodys so cold, even Rikku??! Tidus only
said something innocent, and Rikku literally explodes by
something so little, and i dont like those stupid "elders"
either, poor Tidus, what a family he hs. I thought everything
was gonna be ok, but heck i was wrong! :-(
And Thanks to: Sora, thank so much for this, im deeply thankful!
:-)
And thank you for the warnings of the novel :-)
#Post#: 616--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: LM_Nova
Date: March 30, 2014, 2:16 am
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I'm sure with the overwhelming negative response the novel is
receiving there will be at least some characterization back
peddling from SE. After all they want fans to keep pumping money
into this and they don't deliberately set out to piss us off.
I wouldn't be too worried with Yuna and Tidus supposed break up.
Yuna is acting like her old self again, which means more
emotional vagueness. Odds are she dumped Tidus because she's in
love with the Tidus who died on the beach and not this current
incarnation. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it is revealed
that Yuna is the one who accidentally summoned Sin in her clumsy
attempt to get back Tidus.
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