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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: HaleyBallenger
Date: March 9, 2014, 4:35 pm
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So close to the English release now! Hopefully that will spark
some call to action and we'll at least get answers.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Ananda
Date: March 12, 2014, 8:59 pm
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COUNTDOWN!!!
6 days left my friends!!!
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: March 13, 2014, 1:41 pm
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5 days. 5 more stinkin' days...
It's funny because I have the rest of my exams next week so I
probably won't be as excited for it. XD
I hope that, with the English release, more people will find
this forum and will contribute more to the community. There are
gonna be tons of video game sites pitching their two cents onto
the audio drama, and even the novel if we get lucky. It sure is
gonna be funny reading all of those rants. :3
I'm pretty pumped for the English dubbed version of Will,
anyway. One of my favourite voice actors is in it (James Arnold
Taylor as Tidus) and we'll get to hear Chuami's jabs against
Lulu's... um, posture. Unfortunately, those who aren't as crazy
and impatient as us will have to experience the lukewarm
feelings we had for this drama and the novel. Prepare your
barricades.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Pyreflies_of_MJ
Date: March 23, 2014, 1:53 am
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Jesus, I just read through the translation of the first chapter.
It's SO bad! I just, I don't even. Yuna hardly says anything the
entire chapter and Tidus is lonely because she won't have
anything to do with him because of "village elders". WTF? Where
did they even come from and why would they be SO grumpy? Nothing
like that was relevant in X-2, she was able to do as she pleased
and as she should - she should have at least had the
balls/desire to go to Tidus at some point but she doesn't. God,
and everyone was being so generally mean. I can't believe how
bad this is and it's just chapter 1. Wow.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: March 23, 2014, 3:18 am
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I know. Everybody just has a mean tone in this chapter, apart
from Tidus and Paine, oddly. Lulu's all like 'You better make a
good impression on those elders' to him. The elders don't even
know who he is (Which is odd, because... you know, Tidus pretty
much killed himself to save their asses) and he even has to tell
them that he's a legendary guardian. Even then, they don't like
him. I guess Wakka, Lulu or Yuna didn't bother to tell them
about his great sacrifice. You'd think Yuna would spend the rest
of the night with him instead of sucking up to the elders all
day. What could she possibly be talking to them about that's so
important as to ignore your resurrected soul mate all day?
Rikku's a lot more ****ier than usual. "The fayth didn't bring
you back! Yuna did! Be grateful!" And then Wakka's all like
'Durrr, are you really the real thing? You were an illusion the
last time!' which makes Tidus paranoid for himself.
I feel really sorry for Tidus. He realised that he has a bunch
of selfish jerks for family. No wonder he's lonely.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: kk
Date: March 23, 2014, 5:05 pm
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Well, the tone in the first chapter reminds me of The Eternal
Calm video. In that video, we see Lulu and Wakka helping Yuna as
she acts as High Summoner. That means, she still needs to act
very prim and proper and stuff, and she was meeting with
pilgrims who came to see her/the temple at Besaid and being
proposed to by high-ranking officials all over the place,
sooo...
I don't know, I got the sense she was very much stuck in her
role as High Summoner while in Besaid. Trapped, almost, which is
part of why she went with Rikku on her journey. She 'wanted
more', as she said.
Therefore, I don't think how she acts in Besaid, being shooed
off by village elders, is uncharacteristic. Besaid still sees
her as The High Summoner. The people of the village are very
traditional. After all, they become the headquarters of the
Yevoners.
I mean, clearly in X-2 she 'wanted more' and she's learned to
embrace sticking up for herself and her own wants, but even
still, she cares so much about Spira and tries not to offend and
basically is a people pleaser. She DID sign up to be a summoner,
and thus she's probably accepted her responsibilities as High
Summoner, especially now that her adventure with the Gullwings
is over. But, apparantly, they end up staeling off into the
night on a ship, so she does, EVENTUALLY, put her foot down and
break away from the village elder's attempts to groom her back
into the perfect little summoner.
Idk. I just don't think that's necessarily OOC.
But I also don't think it's not weird that they would be a
little wary of him. They still probably see him as the reckless
youth who ran into the temple and disturbed her. I'm not sure
that Yuna and co. would exactly explain to Spira what happened.
After all, the whole dream story stuff must have been hard to
explain to outsiders, and Yuna probably wouldn't want to talk
about it a million times to every interviewer or perosn who came
to visit, not while she's grieiving. You saw how nosy Shelinda
and others were in X-2 !
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Pyreflies_of_MJ
Date: March 23, 2014, 7:38 pm
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^ I think the whole "elders" thing came out of left field. When
you first visit Besaid in X-2, the villagers are surprised and
glad to see Yuna again when you talk to them, but no one makes a
b-line for Yuna. She comes and goes as she pleases - there's no
mention of elders or otherwise overly crotchety people. There
are also a lot of half-naked people in Besaid (which makes sense
considering it's a tropical island and all) and I don't recall
anyone shooing them off to change (she may be still considered
High Summoner, but I don't recall anyone having the audacity to
order her around like they own her). What's going on in this
first chapter feels cultish and dark. I don't think the Eternal
Calm video was awesome by any means (it was stuffy and pretty
boring), but it certainly made more sense for there to be an air
of melancholy there than at the close of X-2 - when Yuna and co
saved the world and she got back her man.
It should be a time to rejoice and feel like a family reunion,
but no one's acting like that. It's a question of tact and
taste. This book was not tastefully done by any means and a lot
of it feels inappropriate. If it's in-character for Yuna to lose
all her backbone and treat Tidus like he's at the bottom of her
priority list, then I'm not sure I like her (basically, all of
X-2 is being ignored here). I don't think that Yuna and co
would have gone into detail about him being a dream, but I do
think he would have at least been mentioned a few times with
respect.
And what's more is that people who've read the book have
consistently mentioned Yuna's coldness towards Tidus. I didn't
think it was going to be a factor so soon in the story, but low
and behold. No, it's not a direct coldness, but it's there and
it's floating in the air like an ominous fog. I don't sense love
emanating from anyone, (they need sensitivity training) and I
don't think there's any justification for that. When even Rikku,
the eternal ball of sunshine (who I thought loved Tidus like her
own Al Bhed kin) doesn't hug Tidus and even gets mad and snaps
on him for saying something pretty innocent, I don't know how
anyone could say this stuff ain't OOC. I've seen bad fan-fiction
similar to this, where the author makes a bitch out of everyone
and the result is Tidus wondering why he was brought back at
all.
I shouldn't be feeling that kind of vibe from this, it's
disgusting. And this is only the first chapter, and we know what
happens from there - nothing good, nothing logical or heroic or
fitting for the two main protagonists who we're supposed to like
and root for. I can't make a move to defend any of it - from the
plot devices to the atmosphere to the characterizations -
nothing feels right to me. Apparently some fans want a
game/story wrought with omnipresent darkness and angst - I
don't.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: kk
Date: March 24, 2014, 10:53 am
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Well, there is at least oNE old lady I recall (I think in the
temple) that when you talk to them, she expresses her dismay at
the way Yuna is acting. And another younger one who judges
Yuna's apparal (WHILE WALKING AROUND IN THE EQUIVALENT OF
BUTT-LESS CHAPS). I think the Yevonite's still expect Yuna to
uphold a certain image, basically... that of a Yevonite. Dumb,
ofc, because after what Yevon did to her, why should she? But we
see in X-2 that they're not exactly the most thoughtful bunch.
And there are certain standards of dress that apply to
high-ranking yevonites, it appears. While the rest of Spira is
barely clothed, yevonites with rank (shelinda, maesters,
everyone you see in Bevelle and the temples) all seem to be
wearing heavy robes. Yuna, a apprentice summoner, was somewhere
in between. She still looked Besaidian, but her clothes were
also pretty non-revealing. Issaru and Belgemine and Ginnem all
wear big robes. (Dona said fuq the police.) ANYWAY-- even
besides the clothes, in eternal calm, she is really upholding
all of this being a good public official thing. I can see how
going back to besaid for good could sort of put them all in
clucking hens mode. Before, she was still a Gullwing. She still
was kind of bucking against her responsibilities as High
SUmmoner. But now, she's returning home for good, and maybe she
feels like, 'wellll i guess i DO kind of have to settle down at
least a little'. Granted, I agree that totally not talking the
person who just returned for several hours is very very strange,
but I guess I mean, I can perhaps see what Nojima was GOING for,
at least. He just kinda... overdid it. A lot.
I don't know, I mean, they ARE apparently setting up for a
bonfire/party aren't they? I can't be bothered to re-read it,
haha. But I think they were. So, I think it is a time to
celebrate, but... meh. I don't know xD; I can't really DEFEND
the book per se, because I'm not sure that I agree with it
either, but... in this chapter alone, it seems fine to me, at
least. There are other interpretations I would PREFER, like
yours, definitely. but I wouldn't necessarily discount this as a
possibility, either. But, no doubt, it sounds like it goes
absolutely insane after this point, so... I'm not enthusiastic
about the book AT ALL, but this chapter alone seems kinda
harmless to me. Rikku's bluntness is the one thing I can't
really... make sense of at all, though. I mean, to just say it
calmly, but to yell it at him and storm off?? I'm confused,
haha. I feel like something got lost in translation, there??
But in the translations we've seen so far, other than ofc the
fact she hasn't spoken to him yet in the first chapter, I don't
really sense any coldness from Yuna?? She was being coy in the
kiss scene. Remember, people also said they got in an argument
and Tidus kicked a blitzball and died. Which none of that was
true. (Well, except for the death part l:) So, I'm not taking
what people say too seriously, not until (if it ever) gets
translated. Though, at this rate, that seems unlikely. Which is
just as well because then we can just ignore all of this??? But
if we DO believe what people are saying, then apparantly they
also got very close on the boat, before they even arrived on the
island, sooo, she can't be being THAT cold, haha.
I guess, I'm just trying to stay open-minded and wait to see
where they're going with this, even though my hopes are very
low. xD I mean, Last Mission at first sounded crazy to me. Yuna
Rikku and Paine all arguingm regretting meeting up???? Sounded
OOC. I was super against it. But once you watch it and see all
of their motivations and thoughts play out and all of that, it
made sense, and further more, really added depth to the
characters, I think! So I'm just sort of tryING to give the book
a chance, though I doubt it can redeem itself.
Wasn't it linked to an article in another thread, saying that
Nojima never wanted FFX to have a happy ending? he thought the
ending of X was just fine? A lot of people agree with that,
actually. Maybe they he was just trying to satisfy the crowd
that hated the cheeriness of X-2. i think that's absolutely
stupid, but... it kinda seems like that's what he's trying to
do, with this. u_u
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: March 24, 2014, 11:44 am
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Yes, Tidus and Yuna actually did do the nudge nudge on the boat.
But then, that's how the boat even crashed in the first place
(seriously, Tidus, dude. You know that 'storm + no helmsman =
bad.' I guess all those years of living on a boat in Zanarkand
did nothing for him. .-.) so maybe Yuna holds a bit of a grudge
against him? Other sources say that she's unsure of her feelings
for him, hence the rejected kiss. (but then why did they rock
the boat all night long?) If you think about the rejected kiss
now, with all the info we got from chapter 1, it's actually
quite depressing.
They are setting up a bonfire party to celebrate the defeat of
Vegnagun I guess. The weird thing is that Lulu commands Tidus to
help with the organisation. Which I guess isn't too bad, since
he agrees to do it, but for Yevon's sake, lady! The guy just
returned and already he's being forced to do work. That's like
if Yuna returned to Besaid for a break, and then she's ordered
to vanquish some fiends around the forest. At least let him get
eased into his new home!
Yeah, I guess I get what Nojima is going for here: that even
though Tidus has returned to his friends and finally has a home,
from his view, he's still an alien. He's still the outsider that
appeared out of nowhere and accidentally turned the whole island
against himself for doing something fairly innocent in his eyes.
Everybody has moved on and made new lives for themselves, while
Tidus was stuck in purgatory for two years, and hence his death
has only seemed like yesterday. However, Nojima could have gone
about it in a more subtle and... kinder way. Instead, Tidus is
stuck with the thought that nobody wants anything to do with
him, hence his loneliness and neglect. It almost seems like...
he still doesn't exist in anybody's eyes. It's Jecht and his
wife all over again.
Man, I feel so bad for Tidus. I just wanna give him a hug right
now. D:
We gotta remember though: Japanese people have full access to
the contents of the novel. Since it's a rather short book (~250
pages. Also consider the size of the writing.) people will have
finished it by now. One of the main gripes people have with the
novel according to Amazon reviews is that they dislike Yuna in
the novel; maybe even hate her, and they feel really bad for
Tidus. So who knows? Maybe Yuna gets more cold later on in the
novel. (And apparently there's something really bad that happens
later on that we haven't discovered yet; so bad that it shook
our former translators. Might have to ask for more info on
that.) Until we find a Japanese review that goes over the full
contents of the novel, we really have no leads except for the
translators.
The thing is, Nojima's stories are actually quite dark in
general. It certainly was odd seeing him work in X-2. From what
I've heard, Nojima wanted to make the story of FFX darker, but
producers and the company decided against it. After all, it was
Nojima's idea to originally make Tidus the unsent instead of
Auron. Since this is a novel that Nojima wrote without any
restrictions from QA or Square, this could be sort of a
'revenge' thing against the company, by twisting X-2 into a
creepy tale of selfishness and loneliness starring Tidus the
Headless, throwing in reproduction and swimsuits for the lulz,
and decapitation by bomb. Nojima solo-wrote the novel and the
audio drama, and they're pretty damn dark. He must be in a bad
mood these days. :S
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Internal Medicine Doctor
Date: March 24, 2014, 9:50 pm
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Whatever beast is lurking within this novel, it's ostensibly a
big one.
From everything I've read and heard regarding translations so
far, there's nothing terribly offending...
...but the will to translate almost concretely dissipated with
all of our recruited so far, so there must be something later on
in the novella that is upsetting to a universal degree.
The only question that remains is what that beast is.
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