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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Internal Medicine Doctor
Date: February 14, 2014, 4:26 pm
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Speaking of forum popularity, I'd ask humbly for all of you who
care to spread the word of this place.
It could truly become a great symposium of information, and a
really fun community as well.
I hear tumblr is a good place for encouraging people to jump on
board things. I'm not awfully engrained in the social media
circles.
I added an icon to the FFX board. Seeing as how FFX-3 won't be
the selling point any longer, some liberties need to be taken in
flowing life through this place.
I do hope they follow through a la Lightning Returns, though.
This potential game has too much prospect to be shot down now.
#Post#: 506--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Aristoteles
Date: February 14, 2014, 4:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Internal Medicine Doctor link ---
>
> On the note of translations, we've lost both of our own.
>
> KaminaSan has been MIA for quite a while now. I doubt his
priorities lie in translation; it's safe to say he's jumped the
boat.
>
> Pixel has declined to translate further; the material in the
novella was not worthy of all the work needed to translate it,
he said.
>
>
> Only Chapter 1 has been translated. If you guys want, I can
post the transcript for viewing.
> However, it looks as if further novella translation will have
to be derived from foreign sources.
>
> CoL, if you have any further ideas as to which the forum can
do, such as the dressphere contest, please don't hesitate in
sending me a message. I'd like to discuss these things you have
in mind.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'd be willing to translate if someone could send me some scans.
I'm probably going to buy the novella as well, this thread has
spiked my curiosity.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Ananda
Date: February 14, 2014, 4:50 pm
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Well, now that unffortunately X-3 won't exist, you guys actually
made me happy with the new ideas of an amazinX/X-2 forum, its
sounds fun!
And the idea of the dresspheres is amazing, thanks guys for
cheering me up :-)
#Post#: 508--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: TresDias
Date: February 14, 2014, 8:43 pm
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IMD, you should go ahead and post the transcript of the first
chapter. For those curious here, as a "selling point" for your
forum and to maybe draw folks interested in sharing translation
efforts.
[Quote=LM_Nova]Don't despair just yet kids. While it might be a
few years off I still believe this game has a decent shot of
being made. Why? Why the hell would SE go through the changes of
not only re-releasing the game and its sequel in HD, a written
novel, and a audio drama (which they've gotten the original
English voice actors for) if they weren't going to make another
game. Why waste time and money stirring up interest? Like
someone at the company stated early on "the fans have to demand
it". People shout loudest for what they can't have and this
could very well be a marketing strategy. Nobody gives a damn
about Lightning; people freakin' return copies of FFXIII and
FFXIII-2 in droves and Square Enix doesn't seem the least bit
detoured. This is a story however that people are at least
invested in.[/quote]
I like your optimism, but it's not really solid reasoning. It
isn't a waste of time or money for SE because a) the book sold
and they barely had to pay anyone for that, and b) the audio
drama being included is a bonus incentive for people who bought
the original games to buy the HD Remaster.
It's not like they won't be seeing a return on the effort.
Hell, look at The Kids Are Alright. That hasn't led to a new
FFVII game, even with the cliffhanger from Dirge of Cerberus's
secret ending.
#Post#: 510--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: LM_Nova
Date: February 15, 2014, 12:46 am
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Dirge of Cerberus' was a hot mess, fans in the east and west
agreed on that one. FFX has a solid core of loyal fans who would
be all to eager to revisit the world of Spira especially in
light of the disappointing string of games that have been
released in its wake. But given Square Enix history to veer left
(i.e Dirge Of Cerberus) maybe the introduction of Chuami would
be a launching pad for Auron to get his own game! Now I'd pay
good money to play that ;D
#Post#: 512--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: TresDias
Date: February 15, 2014, 11:54 am
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To be fair, FFVII has at least an equally solid core group of
fans who would be eager to see a conclusion to that series.
#Post#: 513--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: LM_Nova
Date: February 15, 2014, 12:58 pm
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In all fairness FFVII got more attention than any other FF game
ever produced, a theatrical sequel and two platform games (three
if you count Before Crises). Pretty much all the main questions
about the game have been addressed where as in FFX there's still
much that is unexplained. In that aspect a prequel could make
more sense than a sequel. Look at Crisis Core, we all knew how
that game was going to end and it was still great! The
developers seemed less concerned about catering to fan service
unlike FFX-2 which was mainly a giant mini game with the girls
running around in skimpy outfits. And there were times when it
deliberately avoided giving explanations to pressing mysteries.
There is lots of money to be made here still and if we get some
great material out of it I'll be thrilled.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: TresDias
Date: February 15, 2014, 2:30 pm
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--- Quote from: LM_Nova link ---
> In all fairness FFVII got more attentiom than any other FF
game ever produced ...
--- End Quote ---
Of course it did. No question. But that's not what we were
discussing. I was responding to your reasoning that SE is
playing a coy game and actually had definite plans for a new
game (the time and money spent argument, and the appeal to there
being a solid fanbase), as they are seeing a return on their
investment for the former and the latter doesn't seem to have
mattered in FFVII's case, even where there has been a major
cliffhanger dangling for eight years.
[Quote=LM_Nova]Pretty much all the main questions about the game
have been addressed ...[/quote]
Except a conclusion to the story. =P
[Quote=LM_Nova]... where as in FFX there is still much that is
unexplained. [/quote]
Do you have some examples? I can't think of any lingering
oddities that weren't addressed by the Ultimanias.
It was odd in X-2 that nobody talked about doing sendings, but
the audio drama has taken care of even that now.
What little mysteries there may be otherwise (I really can't
think of any eating at my brain these past 10+ years) don't
amount to an unfinished story. X-2 tied everything up neatly
until -Eternal Cost- and -Will- came along.
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Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: LM_Nova
Date: February 16, 2014, 1:45 am
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One big example is the FFX FFVII connection. In FFX-2 it was
heavily implied that Spira is in fact the same world that FFVII
takes place in. The boy genius of the Gullwings who bears the
future company's name was last spoken of working on a major
project with entrepreneur extraordinary Rin. Remember when
Shinra stated that it was possible to harness vast amounts of
energy from the Farplane and Yuna envisioning a huge city of
lights? It could be the major point of contention in FFX-3.
After all in the game Rin was shown to have flexible morals when
it came to ensuring the progress of machina.
Speaking of the Farplane that’s another unsolved mystery. During
all of FFX-2 the Farplane was said to be unstable resulting in
it being non accessible. I do recall a NPC explaining that the
only people that could fix the problem were the Guado, but due
to the fact that they weren't in Guadosalam at that point it
couldn't be done. Just what was the problem exactly? How was it,
if ever, resolved?
Square is playing a "coy game" because they want to be as
certain as possible that fans are going to buy another FFX
sequel before they invest time and money into making a
full-fledged game. They won't waste time if fans are lukewarm to
the idea. I think they finally got the message with Lightning;
if fans don't find the character engaging they’re not going to
care about them no matter how "cool" they look on the surface.
Final Fantasy is Square Enix flagship game series, but due to
poor direction its lost serious clout over the years. It's to
the point where even their most loyal fans are leery of anything
new they put out. So yeah, the developers are going to be
inclined to go back to the well and expand the story of past
successful games because fans are invested in those character
and they want to woo folks back.
On the issue of VII you can’t compare it to X in regards of a
concluding the story because it was done in Advent Children.
Square went off on some wild tangent in Dirge Of Cerberus. Also,
and I think many share my opinion; Square Enix (not Square) has
all but ruined Cloud. I don’t know who this whining, brooding
emo poser is but MY Cloud dressed in drag, went on awkward dates
and said “let’s mosey”.
#Post#: 522--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: TresDias
Date: February 16, 2014, 11:03 pm
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Shinra's descendants establish the Shin-Ra Company on another
world (FFVII's world) thousands of years later. This is
explained in a couple of the Ultimanias. Cid Highwind's Shera
airship belonged to the Spiran settlers. These aren't really
loose ends.
The Farplane's instability in X-2 was caused by Shuyin, if I
recall correctly. His malice warped even the fayth when they
went to stop him.
[Quote=LM_Nova]On the issue of VII you can’t compare it to X in
regards of a concluding the story because it was done in Advent
Children. Square went off on some wild tangent in Dirge Of
Cerberus. Also, and I think many share my opinion; Square Enix
(not Square) has all but ruined Cloud. I don’t know who this
whining, brooding emo poser is but MY Cloud dressed in drag,
went on awkward dates and said “let’s mosey."[/quote]
Well, regardless of your personal opinion of Dirge, Genesis or
Crisis Core, the fact remains that the story is incomplete while
X's was perfectly wrapped up with no loose ends.
As for Cloud, he was neither whiney nor emo. He did the opposite
of that. Whiney/emo people ***** to anyone who will listen and
tend to complain incessantly about inconsequential bull****.
Cloud shut himself off from the people he loved, whom he felt
unworthy of, while he was dying and unable to find a cure for
his dying adopted son. He was faced with those crushing
developments while trying to recover from the survivor's guilt
he felt regarding two other people he loved whose deaths he
blamed himself for.
He didn't share his feelings with anyone until Tifa blessed him
out, so I don't know where you're getting "emo" from. Advent
Children depicts the last day in almost two years of emotional
anguish and soul-searching.
And if you don't think being terminally ill yourself, feeling
useless because you can't help your terminally ill child and
being wracked with guilt over two other people you love being
dead are valid reasons to brood -- well, I don't know what to
tell you. It's going to be pretty impossible for us to have a
constructive conversation if those emotions amount to being
"whiney" in your eyes.
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