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#Post#: 400--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: TresDias
Date: January 28, 2014, 7:35 am
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For all the unrest among fans this has created, I feel sure that
if Yuna wasn't having a little trouble adjusting to Tifus's
return, plenty of people would be upset about that instead.
Probably saying "That's not how it works in real life," "She's
not the same person she was; it isn't believable that there's no
period of readjustment" and "Even when they got reunited in
X-2's ending, Tidus himself commented on how apparent it was
that she had changed."
Nojima at least appears to have made the attempt at satisfying
all corners here. Yuna needed a readjustment period, during
which Tidus was blown up and she was reminded of how much she
had missed him to begin with.
Personally, I don't think it would have been believable for him
to have just been dropped back into her life without some
differences in their dynamic. She's changed. She's grown. She's
more assertive now and more willing to think about her own
needs. She can actually fathom having a future, which she had
not had time for during their journey together before.
Much has changed. To pretend otherwise would have been worse
than this turned out to be.
As for the boat sex, I'm not sure why people are bothered about
that. They've just been reunited. They're young adults. Yuna
snuck aboard his boat and "kidnapped" him with the intention of
them getting some alone time. What was supposed to happen? A
game of Scrabble?
#Post#: 401--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Pyreflies_of_MJ
Date: January 28, 2014, 8:10 am
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I don't think people care that they had sex, it's how it
happened. I'd think most fans would be expecting something more
romantic then say a quick roll in the squid which put their
lives in danger. My main issue with it is Tidus ignoring the
storm, the hell is that?
I question how much "realness" people expect from Final Fantasy,
especially in a case where the romance has been completely
idealized up until this.
#Post#: 403--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: January 28, 2014, 9:54 am
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What Pyreflies said: I, and most others, do not mind the aspect
of Tidus and Yuna getting it on at one point in canon. It's just
how they initiated it that's bothering people on this board.
Heck, remember when people were still talking about their
kissing session at Macalania? There were rumours and
implications that they did 'more' than just kissing. I think
that they just put the fact that Kimahri was watching there just
to balance out the two sides. 1: They had sex. 2: They just
kissed. It's like that scene in FFVII where it was heavily
implied that Cloud and Tifa had sex under the Highwind.
Ambiguous moments like that are what get fans like us rolling.
But with the boat sex thing, it's probably the most OOC moment
we've seen of Tidus this far in the novel. Remember: Tidus
ALWAYS tried to protect Yuna from harm in some way. Sin
attacking the S.S. Liki: First thing Tidus did was grab Yuna's
hand. Moonflow: Tidus dove in immediately after Yuna. Wedding:
Angry Tidus is freakin' angry. Etc., etc., etc.. Even in the
Spring scene, he still seemed pretty protective of her while
they were floating through the currents, what with the hand
movements and all. Like I said earlier: If Tidus is supposed to
be the far superior one out of the two in regards to boat/sea
knowledge, the opposing person being his soul mate no less, then
why didn't he moor the ship to somewhere in an ocean where there
are frequent goddamn storms!? Tropical oceans are the most
likely to have storms away from the shore! It's basic geography!
I have to wonder, is Nojima trying to make Tidus as shallow and
infuriating as possible? This is the guy who literally gave up
his life to save his girl, and now he disregards their safety to
tap Yunie's patootie. I know it's small when you compare it to
everything else -coughblitzbombcough-, but it's still really
annoying.
Of course, we all would expect a bit of realism, even in a Final
Fantasy game. Mild realism, as displayed in this game, is the
emotions of the characters and the common sense that they may or
may not follow. Fantasy is a different world with often
different laws, customs and species. It's not something in which
you can make up any old rule to get out of something, or appear
extremely bizarre for the sake of awe or wonder. It's partially
why it's called Final Fantasy: Each game or 'entry' has a
different world with different natures, as well as different
threats and people. If FFX was REALLY realistic, Yuna would
probably be really depressed, Tidus would end up in a mental
hospital at some point, Kimahri would be walking on four legs,
and the gang probably wouldn't last very long against fiends,
which are basically mutated dead people, AKA zombies. For all we
know, Tidus and Yuna getting along as soon as they are reunited
could be considered normal in Spira's universe. If Wakka and
Lulu could do it, why not Tidus and Yuna? XD
And Tresdias, in regards to the 'Bahamut created Tidus' thing,
sorry for confusing you. We see throughout X that Bahamut very
likely had a connection with him that was more special than any
of the other fayth. In Dream Zanarkand, only Tidus could see
him. The rest of the game, only Tidus and Yuna (and Auron) are
'allowed' to see his fayth form. (Of course, other summoners
could as well, but Tidus was the only non-summoner that could at
that point. Maybe the others could see Bahamut, but they didn't
really address it.) He was the one who explained his and Dream
Zanarkand's origins, and in X-2, you can ask him to bring Tidus
back/initiate the Good Ending. Since the fayth are maintaining
Dream Zanarkand, it could be possible that Tidus came from the
portion of Bahamut's dreaming. The other fayth do have their own
forms, which you can see when you revisit the temples after
leaving Zanarkand. It's just Bahamut's fayth that appears to
them for some reason.
But with X-2 and the whole 'Shuyin' thing... well, it is
possible that Bahamut knew Shuyin and admired him. He and Lenne
were popular icons in Zanarkand back then. Tidus is pretty much
an imperfect copy of Shuyin's body with his own thoughts and
memories.
#Post#: 411--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Internal Medicine Doctor
Date: January 28, 2014, 1:43 pm
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Nojima is fleshing out these characters as people, with flaws.
It's not how we perceived them so far, but it's how he's decided
to paint them in a post-Sin Spira.
It's unprecedented, and unwanted by a lot of people, I'm sure,
but it's realistic. Nojima figured this was the best way to
usher in a new story in the world of Spira.
After all, everybody has their faults.
He's just exploiting those in his characters.
#Post#: 413--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: moonstone
Date: January 28, 2014, 3:32 pm
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I find it silly when people say that Nojima has ruined the story
of X....he wrote it (well, he was one of the scenerio writers)
and what he (and the other writers) wrote was obviously a
success! Whatever he writes, I hope he doesn't change it just to
please fans...I honestly dislike when authors have to change
their story because fans don't like what it was going to
be....it's his story and he should decided how to best write
it....of course this doesn't mean he should ignore the feedback
he has received, but he shouldn't have to write what the fans
tell him to write because then it wouldn't be him writing his
story but him writing someone else's story.
Yes, there are a lot of shocking events and information revealed
both in the novel and audio drama, but these things are giving
to not only provide information to the reader/listener but to
also get their attention and get them curious, so whenever the
story is continued people will want to read it or play it.
Obviously not everything is revealed in the Novel or in the
audio drama but it does give some hints of things that will be
further explored and explain in the continuation of this story
(whether its a novel or a sequel game).
Personally, Tidus and Yuna having an intimate relationship
sounds pretty normal. Perhaps the way Nojima went about in
implying how they became intimate in the boat, might make
readers think that Tidus is just being lustful or it ruins this
pure relationship that Tidus and Yuna have. However, when you
start thinking about why he decided to have them become intimate
at such a moment, during the middle of a storm...then you can
come to several conclusions....such as...
It may look like Tidus didn't care about Yuna's or his own
safety, by just leaving the boat without a captain to sail it,
but Yuna was hasty herself as well by taking the boat out to
sea, does she even know how to sail a ship? Aside from the fact
that he was turned on by her scent....I think he probably
realized that she went through all this trouble, taking the boat
while he was sleeping, just to be with him...and it was probably
here that he realized that he also wants to be with her...so
this would explain why he just takes her and leaves the boat
without a sailing captain...To answer her actions, to let her
know that he still cares for her in the same way that she does
to him. Yes, Nojima could've set up a romantic setting for
them...but I think them becoming intimate in a storm reflects
how their relationship wasn't smooth sailing since the moment
they met. What I mean by this is that they experience a lot of
things throughout their journey and in essence they even went
through a sort of separation for 2 years. Yet even with all
these experiences: meeting, separating, and reuniting (sad,
happy, and mad moments together) their love is still able to
flourish. I guess looking at it metaphorically.... Their love
still blooms like a flower in the middle of a storm. Not only do
I think the storm reflects their relationship, but I guess it
was also use to intensify the readers imagination of how
intimate they became (very wild...I guess... ::)).
So while Nojima, could've had them become intimate in a more
calm and romantic setting, having them become intimate in them
middle of the storm serves a lot purposes...a reflection of
their relationship, the degree of their intimacy (of course this
is up to the readers interpretation), and it takes them to the
unknown island to continue the story.
Well anyway that's just my interpretation so far, based on the
information/summary that has been provided. Of course it was a
bit shocking when I read it, but when I thought about it doesn't
seem as bad as the first time reading it. Personally I like how
Nojima has gone for a bit of a more mature tone with the story,
after all it's been 10+ years since the release of X and X-2, so
the fans who played and enjoyed the game have probably matured
as well! Nonetheless for a FF game I think this would be unusual
with a darker and more mature theme, hence I would prefer it be
continued through some other media form (a novel, or even a
movie). Also if it's continued as a novel, it will give Nojima
more free rain to write the story as he would like rather than
worrying if content needs to be censored or not if it were made
into a game.
#Post#: 415--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
DIR By: Kuja9001
Date: January 28, 2014, 5:18 pm
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--- Quote from: Internal Medicine Doctor link ---
>
> Oh, my.
>
>
> That's quite the load of new information.
>
> I'll update the Original Post once I get my bearings on all
this information. Is this a trusty source, TresDias? Or anybody
else who knows about that site?
>
> Ahh, nevermind that. After thoroughly reading, I see this is a
trustworthy source. I shall update the Original Post as soon as
possible.
> Get the word out about this new information!
--- End Quote ---
Site is very trusty, I'm from there as well.
#Post#: 416--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: city
Date: January 28, 2014, 7:28 pm
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Honestly I am so disappointed in how this is turning out. I am
hoping that this novella never gets a Western release and
therefore can't be cannon (in our market anyways). I don't mind
the audio drama as much but this is just too much for me. My
heart is broken, Tidus and Yuna's love story is what MADE FFX
and to have it just destroyed for the purposes of a cash making
scheme... I am so, so disappointed.
#Post#: 419--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: catnip
Date: January 28, 2014, 10:43 pm
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I can deal with stupid changes to Tidus' and Yuna's relationship
(I never saw chemistry between them at all), but I can't with
Sin coming back
that just offends me lol. Like the past two games meant
absolutely nothing. To erase something like that is absolutely
ridiculous. I feel like they should have come up with some other
big boss that could work in this whole mess of a situation.
Something that could be connected to whatever it is Nojima is
doing to these games.
#Post#: 422--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Internal Medicine Doctor
Date: January 29, 2014, 1:39 am
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Well, Sin coming back does have it's place in the storyline.
Sure, it would seem contrived to someone who takes account the
first and second games,
but this new material provides plausible reasons for it's return
even though you may have wanted Nojima to go a completely
separate route with a completely new villain.
I think there is more to this than Sin.
Sin won't be the main threat this go-around in Spira.
It'll be an asset of destruction to their adventure, yes,
but there is definitely some string-pulling going on behind the
scenes here.
#Post#: 423--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: city
Date: January 29, 2014, 2:57 am
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Hmm. I think they could have easily created a new baddy from
the Fayth who stayed around to keep Tidus for Yuna. I always
wondered at the end of X-2 if they Fayth kept dreaming to keep
Tidus alive, that must've meant that other things could be too.
The Fayth could've become corrupted or... something I don't
know. But I just feel like there are a lot of better ways that
this could've happened, minus Tidus' head getting blown up.
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