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#Post#: 386--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
DIR By: Mars1040
Date: January 27, 2014, 3:52 am
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...I've read stuff like this in fanfiction, the fact that Nojima
actually wrote that Tidus becomes like that (and Yuna going
along with it) speaks VOLUMES of the Novella's quality.
Tidus, Yuna, what have they done to you?
#Post#: 387--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: January 27, 2014, 9:38 am
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I have to agree. While some of the new stuff is pretty
interesting (Beast Cores, wat. Can't wait to see happens cause
of this.), I'm still not a fan of how they portrayed Tidus and
Yuna. Their relationship was a LOT more than just kinky stuff.
It was a tale about protection, trust, determination, and the
will to do anything to save his love from impending doom, going
as far as to literally bend tradition and move the heavens for
her. All because they naturally liked each other, and their love
grew so much that it changed the world. Now that they've
basically given Tidus the 'lol sex' mentality, it not only
nullifies part of what their relationship stood for, but also
Tidus' stance as a... well, mature person.
I can understand that they would want intercourse together,
considering the possibility that they might have never seen each
other again, but on the standards of Tidus and Yuna, I would
have expected it to have a slow build up, and have them treat it
as an emotional bonding. Their first kiss was engaged in an
underwater lake, and they treated it like a freakin' oath, and
that was when they realised that they loved each other. Their
first time together would have been just as magical. Instead,
Tidus is like 'hey yuna i like your hair wanna screw?'
I just don't believe that Yuna would have more experience in
life than Tidus had. Oh sure, she had two adventures instead of
one, but the second one was more of a personal mission that
evolved into something much bigger. Oh, and I guess nobody
remembers the scene where Tidus' spirit guides Yuna out of the
Farplane after she gets trapped. Yep. Tidus totally hasn't gone
through as much as Yuna had. Well, except the fact that his home
was destroyed and he found out that his life was a selfish
illusion maintained by a subhuman summoner. Gah, this was one
aspect of FFX fanfictions that I always hated: Yuna outgrowing
Tidus because they spent two years apart. The fact that it's now
canon just saddens me.
Tidus and Yuna aren't just a throwaway thing, oh no. They're a
MAJOR part of what FFX stands for. For Nojima to suddenly do
this to them for the sake of drama, it just... feels dirty and
wrong. Why can't they just fight the main threat while they're
HAPPY together? Haven't they gone through enough? Two games of
pain and desperation to save each other? All for naught?
#Post#: 388--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
DIR By: catnip
Date: January 27, 2014, 9:39 am
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this is ridiculous and awful in every sense
Thank you so much for your guys' contributions though
(translations, searches, etc.)
#Post#: 389--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
DIR By: TresDias
Date: January 27, 2014, 12:29 pm
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A few last (really weird) details:
[Quote=I]As always, hito, you are awesome sauce. As an entrée,
and not a side.
EDIT: What is this exactly?:
[Quote]tidus and yuna doing what ifarnal/kushu asks and if they
will do it (i don't think they actually did)[/quote]
What does Ifarnal ask them to do? And are we to assume Yuna
really went and fucked some random person since Tidus came
back?[/quote]
[Quote=hito]yuna only had boat sex, her bringing back tidus was
something different
ifarnal's request to yuna was to kill someone (i can't remember
if this was briah or kushu, but i think it was kushu)
kushu's request to tidus was to give a woman sitting in a chair
looking out of a window 'a little push' on the shoulder (this
was kushu's real body located in one of the ruins on
besaid)[/quote]
[Quote=I]That's ... weird.[/quote]
[Quote=hito]it's a weird book
i am starting to think that the thing with yuna distancing
herself from tidus has something to do with the whole 'if he
finds out what he is he will disappear' thing[/quote]
[Quote=I]Do you get the impression she may have done "something
bad" to bring him back?[/quote]
[Quote=hito]i think she just wished really hard, that's about
it. think about tidus and wish really hard[/quote]
#Post#: 391--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
DIR By: kk
Date: January 27, 2014, 3:19 pm
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Crystal, I agree with you wholeheartedly. But I also think we
should wait until we see the actual translation before judging
TOO harshly!
I mean, people were making it sound like Yuna was COMPLETELY
irritated and cold to him, but in the translated scenes we've
been given so far, she always either affectionate, coy, too
busy, or , sadly, reasonably distant after not seeing someone
for two years, I think. I consider it... sort of like, if they
had been in an online relationship for the past two years, to
give a contemporary example! xD You could be the two closest
people in the world, but if you haven't spent time with someone
physically for two entire years, there are still some emotional
and physical boundaries that you need to cross. There is still
an initial period of awkwardness and getting to know each other,
EVEN THOUGH you may actually know each other on a very deep and
personal level, do you know what I mean??? I think it's sort of
realistic that they need to get "used to each other", as Yuna
says in one scene. The fact is, they haven't seen one another
for two years, and while, no, I don't think Yuna has emotionally
matured extremely beyond him, because as you said, he matured A
LOT in X, too... she has still been progressing for two years,
and we don't know where/what he was for the past two years, if
he was conscious or not. I can see there being some difficulty
in them adjusting, at the beginning. But, it sounds like this
book takes place BEFORE Last Mission. Therefore, all the happy
moments they have in Last Mission? Unaffected by this book. :)
So, clearly, she has gotten over her hang ups! It sounds to me
like the book is addressing the, as you said, popular theme in
fanfic and general opinion, of Yuna having trouble adjusting to
Tidus, BUT, with his death (crappy as a plot device as it is) or
whatever, it seems that she comes to realize how much she loves
him and blah blah blah. I'm guessing this is the message, from
that mysterious voice reminding her to remember how much she
loved him, and her having to "wish" (call, like in the audio
drama, perhaps?????) him back... Anyway, they just need time to
work out the initial kinks.
Speaking of kinks... I also am skeptical of the "boat sex".
Again, remember he was accused being a total horndog in that
"ecchi" bikini scene, but all he said was one playful comment?
It was kinda blown way out of proportion, lol.
Also, doesn't that bikini scene take place AFTER the boat? So,
if they did have sex, canon-ly, on the boat... isn't that kind
of weird? Like, why would he ask for her forgiveness for
thinking dirty stuff if they've already had sex? LMAO. Like,
that ship has sailed, so to speak. uNLESS... the sex they had
was romantic, not dirty. In which case, it's all good, right? ;)
I agree that they wouldn't rush, and their first time would be
'pure' and all that, but... at the same time, who says it
wasn't???
Not to mention, the translator only said it's implied, didn't
he? By them picking up clothes off the floor, the next morning
or whatever? Did I read that right? If that's the only
implication, that doesn't necessarily mean much. Tidus DOES were
a lot of unnecessary garments that I'm sure are uncomfortable to
sleep in, lOL.
I don't know... I'm just saying, I'd wait to see the full
translation before getting ourselves too worked up! :D A lot of
the things that got me really riled up and angry at first,
turned out to be far less horrible than they were presented by
summation at first. ^^;
#Post#: 392--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
DIR By: CrystalOfLies
Date: January 27, 2014, 3:57 pm
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Ah, you make a valid point actually. Yeah, I guess your
long-lost lover suddenly reappearing into your life would make
for a bit of a clumsy start, I guess. XD But still, this is
Tidus and Yuna, after all. There was hardly any real
'awkwardness' between them on the pilgrimage, except maybe at
Macalania. (But we all know where that went. ;)) They had
playful banter and it was pretty obvious that they had crushes
on each other. They're pretty much a 'love at first sight'
couple done right.
But still, in the context of the '2 days later' timeline, isn't
that weird? You'd think Tidus and Yuna would have time to settle
down on Besaid together; you know, get Tidus acquainted and
caught up with his old friends and all. Instead, they just pass
off some boat to them and tell them to go out to sea. I'd buy it
better if they went back on the Celsius instead. (Come on, Tidus
being a sphere hunter isn't that far of a stretch.) Don't they
have weather vanes on Besaid or something? That's pretty
reckless of those Aurochs, IMO.
The whole 'memory erase' is a pretty big cop-out, though. So
we're just left to assume that Yuna screwed up the balance of
the world and her lover's plane of existence, only to forget it
and go on living a normal life and go poppycock around Iutycyr?
But assuming this actually took place a half-year after X-2, why
would the loss of her memories of the incident cause her
personality to revert back into her X self? Better yet, why
would she even maintain that? You'd think Yuna would be trying
to find a way to save Tidus by herself instead of going back to
square one and praying to the lifeless fayth statues. Okay,
yeah, the fayth are on her side, only Tidus and Yuna can see
Bahamut's fayth, yadda yadda. So... why can't Yuna just go find
Bahamut in person? Did the huge holes that Shuyin leave behind
just suddenly close up upon his defeat? I mean, Bahamut created
Tidus, so he must know the most about his nature, even if he is
a part-human, part-aeon, part-dream, part-unsent, part-zombie,
part-fish thing.
Ugh... this whole thing just feels bizarre and not what we'd
expect. Then again, nobody expected X-2 to turn out the way it
did back when it was announced. I seriously thought that the
audio drama would be a happy-go-lucky, happily-ever-after
epilogue for our favourite couple. But it is Square Enix, seeker
of sequels, so maybe I should have known better.
#Post#: 394--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Price of Eternity~
DIR By: Internal Medicine Doctor
Date: January 27, 2014, 4:59 pm
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Oh, my.
That's quite the load of new information.
I'll update the Original Post once I get my bearings on all this
information. Is this a trusty source, TresDias? Or anybody else
who knows about that site?
Ahh, nevermind that. After thoroughly reading, I see this is a
trustworthy source. I shall update the Original Post as soon as
possible.
Get the word out about this new information!
#Post#: 396--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: TresDias
Date: January 27, 2014, 8:31 pm
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Yeah, you won't find a more reliable source than hito. There
doesn't seem to be much more of interest to mine from this book,
though, sadly. He called it "snake feet" -- a term meaning
something is not only unnecessary, but damaging to what was
there before.
[Quote=CrystalofLies]I mean, Bahamut created Tidus ...[/quote]
What gave you that impression? Tidus is just another resident of
the Dream Zanarkand, like Jecht.
#Post#: 397--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Pyreflies_of_MJ
Date: January 27, 2014, 9:37 pm
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I completely agree with Crystal. What Nojima's done here is just
dirty. He's created contrived drama for the sake of a new plot
and it's a shame. This is not what any fan wanted and it most
certainly has been done better in fanfiction. Please, don't let
this man write romance anymore, he has failed us.
I've met good friends I haven't seen in years and yet we were
able to hit it off without a hitch as if we'd never been apart.
When you click with someone you just click. For two people who
are supposed to be soul mates, you'd think it'd be most likely
for them to fall in place, lock step with one another again.
They should both be pretty damn giddy and content and all that
good crap, not awkward. There was never any drama between them
and there shouldn't be now. Nojima just wanted to conjure angst
for funs, har har. And don't get me started on the boat sex
thing. I've never been opposed to Tidus and Yuna having sex in
the world of canon Final Fantasy, but like that, really? Tidus
recklessly puts their lives in danger to get some booty? The
very notion that Tidus would knowingly risk Yuna's safety for
anything is absurd. Seriously, as has been said, Tidus, what
have they DONE to you!?
The more that's translated the worse it gets. I think I'm going
to try ignoring this thing as much as possible.
#Post#: 399--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Novella: Final Fantasy X-2.5 ~Eternal Cost~
DIR By: Ananda
Date: January 28, 2014, 12:43 am
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I don't know what to think of this...
I love FFX and Tidus and Yuna, it hurts to think that the entire
FFX and FFX-2 storyline, was useless (by making Sin come back,
even if we defeated him!)
I'd have accept if another thing threatens Spira, not
Sin...again.
But I hope that, if they do a FFX-3, they make it with effort,
responsibility, innovation, intelligence and creativity.
Please SE, you already make a mistake with the first sequel (
this is just my opinion, i don't try to offend anyone that likes
FFX-2) don't dissapoint us, we hope that if you decide to start
making a second sequel, do it with the great potential that we
know you have. :-)
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