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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Kowhai
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:34 pm
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I mean the way things are looking you won't need to
#Post#: 710--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Penguin022
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:38 pm
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Lynch Lena
Lynch SuperBoomen
Lynch ColtsFan18
Lynch ZechAkari
Lynch Nickito
Lynch CalaMity
#Post#: 711--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: ‎
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:41 pm
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I agree we can't let penguin completely off the hook right now
I'd keep an eye on him
On the Lena situation I know that she's busy and all but before
that she wasn't really interacting with Penguins random lynch of
her and that did come off as a bit weird to me I'd also keep an
eye on her
From a gut feeling I'd like to lynch Lena more but judging of
cues and the general way everyone's been acting it looks like
for now lynching Shrub is going to lead to us more likely
lynching a wolf I'm not sure what to add you've all pretty much
said everything I have on my mind
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Penguin022
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:42 pm
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can you give me a readslist
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: emertxEtaKtiK
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:46 pm
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[spoiler=case against Leia plus a few other points]I noted that
I thought it was strange that Leia was basing an argument
against me how I was very wishy-washy and inconsistent with my
sides. Last game, I had confident statements backing up claims
against people like CF18 and SuperBoomen, but, what I noted
before was that she failed to account for how I was wishy washy
with Nick, Jess, and Kowhai even if I was appearing to “lead the
town” last game. And she should have known better that I was
wishy-washy; like she was Exe and I made posts that highlighted
stuff with even people like Jess and Zech last game too! The
only time I wasn’t wishy washy was when I had the evidence of
Lena being blue last game!
What is really interesting to me is that her arguments against
me seem so picky to a point where it doesn’t feel realistic.
Like, the inconsistencies and evidence she draws from my
“scummy” posts seem as if she is intentionally looking for
inconsistencies. Like I thought it was weird how she called me
out for being agreeable with Penguin022 when one of the main
points of the game is to also account for points brought up by
other players that you might have missed out yourself! It was
also odd in a sense how she is saying that people use lynches to
gather more info and get more people talking, so I lynched
Penguin as I wanted to hear more about why he chose to Lynch
Lena. The Lynch was kind of like how I would place pressure on
Penguin. Although I could have just questioned Penguin, I wanted
to place more pressure because I know he can be VERY deceptive
and dupe the entire town if he is a wolf.
Honestly, Leia rubbed me off as someone who tried to cherry pick
points and discrepancies against me so hard to the point where
her argument would be intimidating to other players and make
them believe her more against me. Like the points she brought up
seem to be WAY too overanalyzed to the point where it felt kind
of fake in a sense, as if she was just building the argument
against me up as a scum to just try to further scapegoat me due
to mistakes I’ve made. Like I know Penguin posted a LONG ass
post against me, but the difference here is HOW MUCH MORE she
continued to jump against me AFTER Penguin’s long post.
What I found weird was her Lynch for Le_Shrub! Not the same time
of behavior; certainly nowhere near as much vigor with calling
him out. In fact, in her post at 2:47 PM EST today calling out 3
users, I felt like she had more evidence against Jerk’s behavior
than LB or Nick combined, yet she still ends up lynching L_S. I
am curious as to why she did not try to push anything ore
against Jerk, or even try to shift a vote to Jerk. Honestly, the
evidence against jerk being scummy is honestly stronger than the
evidence against L_S being scummy. I can’t say much fr Nick
because I know he has genuinely been busy. I am getting more of
a townlean for Shrub after his posts today. Also, her case for
Lena doesn’t make much sense to me; I almost feel like she’s
being very oddly loose with Lena even if Lena is busy when
Penguin noted that I brought up good points about Lena. I can
tell Lena is genuinely busy, and although Penguin acknowledge
the points I brought up against her, I would focus on her later
just since it is a very bad situation to be pressured into
making a big post when you have a lot of work and sorts. Same
case with Nick, can’t really read much off him because he came
across suspicious last game and was just super busy TBH.
Also, I did not like Leia DID NOT ADDRESS SOME IMPORTANT POINTS
OF DISCUSSION THAT L_S BRIGNS UP.
[I]”Also, the Jess kill is really odd by the wolves, I guess
they were either
A. Really afraid of the guardian and went after someone with no
chance of guarding
or B. Just wanted to confuse the heck out of this town, or maybe
it's to cast suspicion on the louder players.”[/I]
This is a very good thing to note from L_S, and I was wondering
the same too! My theory is that a lot of the major players who
have been very active (and experienced) and in control
throughout this game all chose to lynch me! As a result of me
being Human, it means that none of these players are off the
hook. Regardless of whether Penguin, Leia, Cosmic, Lena, etc is
a wolf or not, I think the wolves killed Jess not only because
of a bomb threat, but also probably because they want to use the
Bomber Wolf on one of the more active players!
“I think a ton of the meta in recent games is the "more
experienced players" or "loud players" (Penguin, KKE, leia,
lena, Vinnie, Nick, etc.) pushing leads and the town generally
following them and having no clue what to do once they get
killed/lynched (see the ending of AEI and Tick-Tock Two).”
THIS ^^^ I cannot stress this enough. Large posts are vey
intimidating and sometimes, if an experienced wolf is just able
to lead via large posts, followers who don’t think outside their
bubble are screwed over. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Avy]Getting a scum lean from Avy; caught them lurking a
lot throughout the day without giving reads until Kowhai
pressured. WHY?
I feel very odd about how they believed me over Penguin, yet
didn’t do much to push against Penguin either yet had time to
check this game quite a few times throughout the day. Felt a bit
off to me IMO. Honestly felt the same way about Avy about Lena,
how they made points that leaned more towards me in the whole
Penuin vs KKE thing, but didn't contribute much
further.[/spoiler]
TLDR
Leia: seems to be VERY controlling and to a point where her
arguments against people almost seem as if she is catering them
to favor her side and cherry picking information to make the
player look suspicious through making intimidating big posts;
brushes off many important issues brought up aside [SCUMLEAN]
L_S: [moderate town lean now] Honestly, think he just made a
mistake; although there's still possibility he can be wolf, I
would advise away from lynching Human claims today and instead
lynch someone who behaves weirdly but did not claim. It's
critical to ensure that we lynch a non-town today and I think
the best thing is to go for a suspicious non-claimer. Thought he
brought up some decent points worth addressing and I honestly
feel like he could just be in my situation, someone who did
something weird but is getting called out for small behaviors
Jerk: Posts are pretty much all empty, very scummy, seems like
he is trying to conform without any contribution; think he is
WAY more sketchy than L_S!!!! PUSH HIM [safer lynch target than
L_S IMO]
Lena: seems to be genuinely busy with school as well; but
everything Penguin and I said holds; safer lynch IMO
Avy: very odd how they contributed after a push from Kowhai
despite caught lurking a lot; brought points up but did not even
contribute to the lynch even though they had time on Day before
I wanted an early end; scumlean
Nick: genuinely busy for a fact IRL; don't get the cases against
him given his playstyle last round; could be anything TBH; don't
recommend lynching until more investigation
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Recommend lynching/pushing more out of Jerk, Lena, Avy, or Leia
imo
Do not rec going for L_S, we don't even WANT TO RISK LOSING
ANOTHER HUMAN!!
#Post#: 715--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Kowhai
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:50 pm
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lena has been replaced with vinnie. the game shall proceed as
normal.
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Nickito
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:51 pm
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ew
#Post#: 717--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Vinnie927
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:52 pm
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rude
Lynch Nickito
#Post#: 718--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: hoezzy
Date: April 16, 2020, 10:03 pm
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Okay so, considering everything, I am unlynching L_S. I don't
really get a hard townlean from him, but I don't get a scumlean
from him either now.
Two reasons for my change of heart:
1. The case against L_S is mostly based on his very conveniently
timed posts at the start of the game and honestly, saying it was
a mistake isn't that good of a defence, but the rest of his
posts are generally non-sus. And he is actually trying to
contribute to the game and highlight things instead of being
generally agreeable. For example, I don't see a wolf making
#169. L_S isn't off the hook, but there isn't much scumlean for
him atm imo.
2. Other players, specifically jerk, have a better case against
them; I acknowledged the case against jerk in my previous post.
Therefore, we should push them today instead of L_S.
#Post#: 719--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Kowhai
Date: April 16, 2020, 10:16 pm
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leia - Le_Shrub (173)
jerk - Le_Shrub (176)
Le_Shrub - ColtsFan18 (168)
Penguin022 - ! !22-22-7 (177)
! !22-22-7 - Nickito (197)
hoezzy - Le_Shrub (167)/Unlynch (198)
☆_SuperBoomen_☆
ColtsFan18 (1/2)
Nickito (1/2)
xX_4vY_5i0nN4cH_Xx (1/2)
Cosmic (0/2)
ZechAkari (0/2)
CalaMity (0/2)
CursedSkylark (0/2)
Le_Shrub - 2
ColtsFan18 - 1
! !22-22-7 - 1
Nickito - 1
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