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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Kowhai
Date: April 16, 2020, 4:45 pm
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gonna wait until 24 hours have passed but looking like I'm gonna
have to ping a lot of people rn
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: leia
Date: April 16, 2020, 7:19 pm
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--- Quote from: ‎jerk link ---
>
> Really feeling like I can't say much or I'll be pinned as a
wolf I'm not about to lynch someone and make that decision until
I see what more people have to say
>
> I know I can't go by my own judgement completely and someone
may raise an important point after I post I never like jumping
the gun I'll always hold back unless I'm feeling strongly about
something
>
> Consciously I know I'm not a wolf but you can't know that for
sure and I get that it's just I don't see how my posts point
directly to me likely being a wolf much
>
--- End Quote ---
See it's post like these that worry me is the thing. Your
options are defend yourself or not defend yourself, and you've
chosen to not defend yourself because you worry that it's going
to make things worse. So you're just willing to possibly get
lynched here? What's the reasoning behind this?
Also what changed in the 5 posts between your "I'm not sure
about L_S" to "lynch L_S"? You cite it being due to "everything
that's gone down" but I wasn't quite sure what had gone down,
tbh. Was it my post? Was it Le_Shrub's?
--- Quote from: Le_Shrub link ---
>
> You could argue that all of the time, I double back hard on my
posts because I doubt myself a lot and when someone brings in
better evidence I jump in on it. The only thing I've ever really
spearheaded in my time here has been the Avy lynch back in AEI.
--- End Quote ---
You don't have to spearhead a lynch though to not be a wolf. I
don't think Cosmic's a wolf, and he hasn't spearheaded anything.
He has made interesting comments and stuck to them.
--- Quote from: Penguin022 link ---
>
> - (167) Who were the 5 human claims?
[member=27]hoezzy[/member]. I like Hoezzy's post here although
it is admittedly the obvious one since Leia had just brought it
up, and this could be pushing for a mislynch since it is "the
obvious move" according to Hoezzy, which I don't necessarily
think it is. Not quite sure with this.
--- End Quote ---
I attributed this to just timezone/schedule differences. Hoezzy
seems like he would've started out with that lynch, even if I
hadn't posted first, given that he had already been highly
suspicious of LS the day before.
@Penguin can you elaborate more on Lena? I agree that her
response regarding you vs KKE was weird and noncommital, but I
never entirely understood KKE's case for her because it seemed
like it was just "Lena is inactive and she isn't usually". I've
just been attributing her behavior to having a busy week, mostly
because she's been complaining to me for the past few days about
how much work she has.
#Post#: 701--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: hoezzy
Date: April 16, 2020, 7:43 pm
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There is a decent case against Lena and jerk at this point. Want
to hear more from Lena but jerk's response is really bugging me.
The whole "I am not gonna defend myself because it may matter
things worse" idea is application only when you have to make up
a defence out of thin air imo. You should have logical rebuttals
for whenever someone is suspicious of you and you're actually
human. It, however, certainly is hard to come up with logical
and suitable defences as a wolf because it could be easy for
others to detect a lie.
Not changing my lunch just yet - it's just 5 in the morning
where I live - but I'm getting heavy scumlean for jerk.
#Post#: 702--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: ☆_SuperBoomen_☆
Date: April 16, 2020, 8:44 pm
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My situation is complicated, I have no suspicion of anyone
nowadays, everyone seems very neutral and that sucks because I
feel kind of bad for not having anything to contribute to the
city
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: ColtsFan18
Date: April 16, 2020, 8:53 pm
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The Jess kill was weird makes me think the wolves are newer
players...
I still don't get why Shrub lynched me, and I'll wait until we
get more evidence to vote.
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: lena
Date: April 16, 2020, 8:58 pm
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i don't want to come in like "heyyy i'm busy, don't really have
time to deal with twg rn sorry for the inactivity" because it's
not like that does anything lmao so i've just been avoiding
this. sorry i guess? but not really at the same time
i know you probably want a big post responding to the points
against me but i don't have the time nor the energy to come up
with that right now, especially considering that this game is
really low on my list of priorities rn. i'm only really
responding to this stuff because kowhai pinged me on discord and
me getting modkilled helps no one so.
idk if there's a point to this really but yeah. i'm inactive.
sorry. i will try to do more tomorrow/the weekend but i have
other stuff i care more about to do that occupy my time.
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: xX_4vY_5i0nN4cH_Xx
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:14 pm
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Here are my thoughts:
- I'm not quite ready to let Penguin off the hook yet. He has
yet to make any claim at all, or anything even hinting towards a
role he may be, he pushed very heavily for a human to be
lynched, and the "bombmaker wolf" comment [159] is rather
obvious information that he may have intentionally brought back
to the forefront to deter any seer investigations.
- The Le_Shrub thing is still vaguely susp to me, but I'm
honestly starting to get townleans off him if anything; I feel
like if he were a wolf, he would just straight up try and blend
in without making that second post.
- Both Colts and jerk seem like their rather passive
playstyle could be legitimate; they seem like the types of
players who would pull back a bit if their roles weren't very
interesting to them, especially considering the latter has very
little knowledge of how the metagame has developed since his
ban. Nickito's and Lena's, on the other hand, are far more
interesting to me, and I'd at least like to hear more from each
of them.
I'm not gonna lynch right this second, but if I had to choose
someone to vote against, Nickito would probably be at the top of
my list for now, just because Penguin being a blue role is still
a possibility to me, whilst Lena has at least responded to
people's suspicions against them.
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Penguin022
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:20 pm
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--- Quote from: leia link ---
>
> @Penguin can you elaborate more on Lena? I agree that her
response regarding you vs KKE was weird and noncommital, but I
never entirely understood KKE's case for her because it seemed
like it was just "Lena is inactive and she isn't usually". I've
just been attributing her behavior to having a busy week, mostly
because she's been complaining to me for the past few days about
how much work she has.
>
--- End Quote ---
Lena's posts so far this game:
5, 11, 17. Shitposting/meming
43. Agrees with everyone so far.
45. Tells Zech he should read posts before posting himself.
78-79. Saying big posts take a long time and that's probably why
I took a while to post my big post, and that she wouldn't
respond to my lynch until after class.
86. Said she was at school and that's why she never responded to
my lynch, and mentions that KKE and I could be bussing each
other, but provides nothing more.
89. Mentions the censor.
111. Says she doesn't understand why KKE made a post saying why
she wouldn't be responding until later.
131. After KKE defends herself, Lena says she likes the
response. Lena says that it should be mentioned that KKE is
using a lot of metagaming in argument which could be a problem
for some, even though she was fine with it. She doesn't seem to
be reaching any kind of conclusion from this and I don't see how
mentioning that metagaming could be a problem for some does. She
then says that KKE and I could be both wolves and both good, and
that she doesn't want to lynch either of us. She never justifies
why she thinks that KKE and I could be bussing each other, which
is obviously a little bit ridiculous to be doing so early on,
and her post doesn't tell us which way she's leaning at all. She
doesn't explain why we should wait to lynch me or KKE either.
172. Just asking about Colts.
That's it. So there wasn't much to go off besides her point that
KKE and I could both be wolves...or not. She said she likes
KKE's defense but does not provide any detail on which way she's
leaning, and instead talks about what the town might think
instead. There has been nothing pro-town at all, but not coming
to any kind of conclusion from KKE leans wolf to me, especially
for her.
Note: Lena ninja'd me with this post and IDK what to make of it
but I'm still gonna post this anyway.
#Post#: 707--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Penguin022
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:28 pm
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--- Quote from: xX_4vY_5i0nN4cH_Xx link ---
>
> Here are my thoughts:
>
> - I'm not quite ready to let Penguin off the hook yet. He has
yet to make any claim at all, or anything even hinting towards a
role he may be, he pushed very heavily for a human to be
lynched, and the "bombmaker wolf" comment [159] is rather
obvious information that he may have intentionally brought back
to the forefront to deter any seer investigations.
> - The Le_Shrub thing is still vaguely susp to me, but I'm
honestly starting to get townleans off him if anything; I feel
like if he were a wolf, he would just straight up try and blend
in without making that second post.
> - Both Colts and jerk seem like their rather passive playstyle
could be legitimate; they seem like the types of players who
would pull back a bit if their roles weren't very interesting to
them, especially considering the latter has very little
knowledge of how the metagame has developed since his ban.
Nickito's and Lena's, on the other hand, are far more
interesting to me, and I'd at least like to hear more from each
of them.
>
> I'm not gonna lynch right this second, but if I had to choose
someone to vote against, Nickito would probably be at the top of
my list for now, just because Penguin being a blue role is still
a possibility to me, whilst Lena has at least responded to
people's suspicions against them.
>
--- End Quote ---
- When did I push heavily for a human to be lynched? And I see
how the bombmaker wolf thing could be interpreted that way but I
mostly wanted to get rid of the obvious possibility that I get a
bomb and fuck us over. I also think claiming anything at this
point is a bad idea, we very much do not wolves to have much
information this early in the game.
- L_S's uptick in activity and discussion of things other lynch
votes against him gave me pause too.
- Is 185 what you call Lena responding to people?
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Penguin022
Date: April 16, 2020, 9:32 pm
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[member=5]Kowhai[/member] am i allowed to lynch half of the game
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