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#Post#: 686--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: ‎
Date: April 16, 2020, 11:24 am
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I don't think it's the best bet saying that because you used a
strategy someone else who is acting similar has to be using the
same strategy you are
That entire I'm being lynched over a simple mistake isn't
something I'm really buying that was your only point of defense
in that area and it doesn't really hold up that much
I'm not about to jump the gun and lynch him I want to hear what
everyone has to say but I do have my eye on shrub
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Le_Shrub
Date: April 16, 2020, 11:29 am
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I don't have any other defense to make, considering I'm a human
here, I don't have a blue role to claim like I usually do when I
post impulsively.
I think I did word that kind of bad, but I wanted to get across
that that strategy is not what Colts used at all in his previous
games - he was more aggressive, and because he's hiding in the
background he reads as hiding to me, and therefore suspicious.
#Post#: 690--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: lena
Date: April 16, 2020, 1:46 pm
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was colts not an aggressive wolf
#Post#: 691--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: leia
Date: April 16, 2020, 1:47 pm
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People I would like to tackle in the order that I would like to
tackle them in
- Le_Shrub [spoiler]ignoring the day 1 scandal, because we
already know what Le_Shrub would say to it, here's why he's sus:
--- Quote from: Le_Shrub link ---
>
> We can at least all agree KKE and Penguin can't both be
wolves, right?
>
--- End Quote ---
This reallllyyy rubbed me the wrong way- wolves just trying to
be agreeable
--- Quote from: Le_Shrub link ---
>
> I do think this is a situation where we have one loud wolf and
a couple quieter wolves in the background, or maybe a pair of
loud wolves. Regardless, the quiet people aren't off the hook
and I'd like to push them.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Le_Shrub link ---
>
> Boomen claiming early is relatively in line with his town
game, and Zech's... Whatever he does is pretty in line too for
what I'm seeing. Doesn't exactly let them off the hook though,
as I feel like they should have noticed my mistake?
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Le_Shrub link ---
>
> Oof yeah, Penguin did townlead when he was wolf with me back
in Tick tock 2.
> I don't know, I feel like I need to trust someone in this
game, and my gut feelings haven't failed me in the past
(suspecting 3 scum in AEI and the Leia warden last game) - but
no one is ever "off the hook" d1 as far as anyone is concerned
imo.
>
--- End Quote ---
3 times LS made a statement, and then stepped back a little bit-
he's not committing, not pushing lynches- again, agreeable wolfy
behavior. [/spoiler]
- jerk [spoiler]jerk has made only 8 posts this game. 3 of them
don't contribute to the game "Sorry I haven't said ****" "It's
day one it comes down to hunches
" and "wait why is **** censored".
--- Quote from: ‎jerk link ---
>
> Not sure how to feel about this whole thing
> I'll go with lynching kke based on what she's said so far and
some of her jumps in logic here and there they don't really add
up and it feels like she's scrambling and took the only
opportunity she had to pin the target on someone
>
--- End Quote ---
His lynch day 1 was on KKE, and it was third- right after me and
Penguin. wolf!jerk could've seen it as an opportunity to easily
get rid of KKE, because he already had 2 somewhat loudmouthed
players on the lynch to do the work for him.
And his two other posts are just unhelpful.
--- Quote from: ‎jerk link ---
>
> This is just really random idk why you're picking at my posts
specifically when lots of others have acted the same way I have
>
> You ignored all the other posts where I did post things of
substance and other than that I really don't have much to add to
the discussion because every idea I do have gets brought up
anyways and it's not worth repeating at that point I just think
this doesn't really makes much sense and you like you said
you're really picking at straws and I did explain what my hunch
was later on
>
--- End Quote ---
This just misses the point that Sky wants to go through every
post and post his reaction as it comes- he hadn't made it to the
things that jerk posted of substance yet. Speaking of, there's
really not much of substance at all.
--- Quote from: ‎jerk link ---
>
> I wasn't here for any of the previous games so I can't judge
anything based on that
>
> Just looking at what's happened the Penguin lynch on Lena is
really strange and I hope we get to see Lenas side of it and how
she tries to clear this situation up
>
--- End Quote ---
Nothing new here, just saying he wants to wait to see what
happens.
--- Quote from: ‎jerk link ---
>
> I don't think it's the best bet saying that because you used a
strategy someone else who is acting similar has to be using the
same strategy you are
>
> That entire I'm being lynched over a simple mistake isn't
something I'm really buying that was your only point of defense
in that area and it doesn't really hold up that much
>
> I'm not about to jump the gun and lynch him I want to hear
what everyone has to say but I do have my eye on shrub
>
--- End Quote ---
I was actually fine with this post until I read the last line-
again, agreeable wolf just trying to be agreeable and go with
the town, just wanting to wait and see what happens.
It's perfectly ok to wait and see what happens! Except it can't
be the only thing you do, which it kind of feels like it
is.[/spoiler]
- Nickito [spoiler]this is it. these are the 3 productive posts
that nick has made this game
--- Quote from: Nickito link ---
>
> so that's 3 out of our 7 human claims
>
> preferably no more because we like it when the blue roles have
claim space, and also with the Bomb the wolves will avoid
killing human claims
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Nickito link ---
>
> Is the idea of Shrub posting impulsively then realizing
immediately he made a mistake not realistic? Surely you've all
made posts when you were like "wow I could've worded that
better" or "I should not have said that" immediately after
posting.
>
> I'm not convinced that's what happened, just making sure we're
aware of that as a possibility
>
> however I do think Shrub is smart enough to claim Human to not
be Seer'd and as Human claims are often kept safe
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Nickito link ---
>
> looking through Lena's posts has she even done anything but
meme
>
--- End Quote ---
nick where are you [/spoiler]
- Lena (lena just isn't posting which is out of character, I can
excuse a cycle but if she's still not posting by the weekend I'd
say it's wolfy)
- Avy
People who haven't posted enough and I don't know what to think
about (sky, SB, CM)
Ok for now (Penguin, hoezzy, ZechAkari)
Townread town read townread (Cosmic)
Lynch L_S
#Post#: 692--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Le_Shrub
Date: April 16, 2020, 2:10 pm
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You could argue that all of the time, I double back hard on my
posts because I doubt myself a lot and when someone brings in
better evidence I jump in on it. The only thing I've ever really
spearheaded in my time here has been the Avy lynch back in AEI.
I think a ton of the meta in recent games is the "more
experienced players" or "loud players" (Penguin, KKE, leia,
lena, Vinnie, Nick, etc.) pushing leads and the town generally
following them and having no clue what to do once they get
killed/lynched (see the ending of AEI and Tick-Tock Two).
I think in this sort of environment, once someone gets pressure
put on them no one ever really backs off - there is always a
sort of suspicion there (see: Zech getting suspected last game
even though he was human). So I feel like no matter what I do
I'm going to get screwed because I'm already on the big players'
shit list.
--- Quote from: lena link ---
>
> was colts not an aggressive wolf
>
--- End Quote ---
But that didn't work for him last time, did it? He got lynched
day 1. I feel like he would want to hide more in this game if he
was a wolf to get him off of people's radars.
#Post#: 694--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Penguin022
Date: April 16, 2020, 3:00 pm
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alright gonna post my notes from the end of d1 and catch up on
d2 gimme a min
#Post#: 695--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: ‎
Date: April 16, 2020, 3:05 pm
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Really feeling like I can't say much or I'll be pinned as a wolf
I'm not about to lynch someone and make that decision until I
see what more people have to say
I know I can't go by my own judgement completely and someone may
raise an important point after I post I never like jumping the
gun I'll always hold back unless I'm feeling strongly about
something
Consciously I know I'm not a wolf but you can't know that for
sure and I get that it's just I don't see how my posts point
directly to me likely being a wolf much
Judging by everything that's gone down since the last time I
posted I'm going to with lynching shrub
#Post#: 696--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Penguin022
Date: April 16, 2020, 3:41 pm
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I'm disappointed D1 ended early bc I think we were starting to
get somewhere with KKE even though I still disliked the majority
of her points. I do still think there is stuff to consider from
her posts.
Posts that popped out to me from the end of D1:
- Le_Shrub (125) answers my question on who he finds most
suspicious of the quieter players. He was sus of CM, and had
basically non-reads for Zech, Boomen, Lena and jerk (that's a
lot). Interesting to note bc if L_S is wolf, we can take this
two ways. He could have not that many "quiet" players on his
team, or one of the players he didn't have much of a read on
could be a wolf buddy as well.
- lena's post at 131 was veeeeery interesting. A difficult read.
She likes KKE's defence (which confuses me but whatever), she
says she's fine with the defence being a meta-gaming defence.
She then says that we both could be good or evil (the likelihood
of us both being evil at this point was verrrrrrry low) and then
says she doesn't want to lynch either of us yet for that reason,
not elaborating...what? Wolflean based on this post, I would
like to hear what more people think about this though.
- Although they were leaning towards me being wolf, I liked
Avy's post at 13, there is clearly thought put into the both and
making a definitive decision leans town.
- Skylark pushes jerk at 145, something that I'd be interested
in seeing more of.
- KKE's post at 149 promotes the same ideas I was addressing
earlier about lena and Avy, I agree with her surprisingly
enough. Lena not picking a side or pushing discussion has been
noteworthy since the beginning of the game (when I lynched her
lol). She never had much of a real response to my lynch vote
iirc and she has been laying very low without giving much
opinion on anything. I think KKE has a solid point against lena.
Start of D2:
- Jess being wolfed came out of nowhere, there must be some kind
of strategy here. I don't think Jess ever said or did anything
that would make her an obvious wolf kill, so maybe the wolves
were just trying to avoid attacking a guarded player? IDK.
- (167) Who were the 5 human claims? [member=27]hoezzy[/member].
I like Hoezzy's post here although it is admittedly the obvious
one since Leia had just brought it up, and this could be pushing
for a mislynch since it is "the obvious move" according to
Hoezzy, which I don't necessarily think it is. Not quite sure
with this.
- Shrub's lynch against Colts at 168 is very interesting, he is
starting his own lynch which is certainly intriguing, albeit
towards one of the most notoriously lynchable players ever. L_S
pushes CM and lena very lightly, which is noteworthy as well.
- Whoops, L_S made the same point as me but articulated it
better at 169.
- (173) Leia articulates the L_S argument very well. I also
agree with her that Nick evaporating was a little weird.
- I agree with L_S's point that Colts must be attempting to
learn at this point to talk less, since the last few games he
got lynched usually when he talked. I must admit I am liking
L_S's progression.
Alright, the main two people I'm leaning towards lynching are
L_S and lena, although I'm not opposed to lynching other people
with a solid case. I'm gonna lynch lena for now bc of my case
(and KKE's case) earlier and because L_S already has some votes.
Also noteworthy that there could've been specific pushback
against me on D1 bc my lena lynch was correct, and I think the
fact that nobody really looked into lynching her at all is
noteworthy.
#Post#: 697--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Penguin022
Date: April 16, 2020, 4:02 pm
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Cosmic - Strong townlean
Leia - Strong townlean
Avy - Townlean
Zech - Townlean
Hoezzy - Townlean
Nickito - Sliiight townlean
CursedSkylark - Midlean
jerk - Midlean
Boomen - Non-read
CM - Non-read
Colts - Lower midlean
L_S - Wolflean
Lena - Wolflean
#Post#: 698--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 2)
DIR By: Kowhai
Date: April 16, 2020, 4:44 pm
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hoezzy (1/2) - Le_Shrub (167)
leia - Le_Shrub (173)
jerk - Le_Shrub (176)
Le_Shrub - ColtsFan18 (168)
Penguin022 - lena (177)
☆_SuperBoomen_☆ (1/2)
lena (1/2)
Cosmic (0/2)
ColtsFan18 (0/2)
ZechAkari (0/2)
Nickito (0/2)
CalaMity (0/2)
CursedSkylark (0/2)
xX_4vY_5i0nN4cH_Xx (0/2)
Le_Shrub - 3
ColtsFan18 - 1
lena - 1
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