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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:29 pm
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--- Quote from: Jess link ---
>
> I’m really suspicious of le shrub similar to what kke said
about how he claimed human, and immediately backtracked 20
seconds after. It felt forced. Tbh, I’m not surprised at all
that Zech and boomen would claim after because boomen as we know
claims pretty early and fast, and zech.... well we saw how he
played last game as human. This isn’t to say that they aren’t
suspicious either, it’s just really what they would do. Lynch le
shrub for now, but I have my eyes on zech as well
>
--- End Quote ---
Here, I 100% do agree with you saying the fact it felt forced.
It 100% felt forced to me too from first impression. However, I
don't think the immediate backtrack was forced upon itself. I'm
sure that feels more of L_S's choice instead of being forced. Be
it a cover up or not like Penguin had said earlier in that page,
what are the chances you might think L_S was baiting for power
roles indirectly by trying to confirm the humans?
It's always a possibility, so I'm not willing to count it out.
#Post#: 653--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:37 pm
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--- Quote from: Nickito link ---
>
> Is the idea of Shrub posting impulsively then realizing
immediately he made a mistake not realistic? Surely you've all
made posts when you were like "wow I could've worded that
better" or "I should not have said that" immediately after
posting.
>
> I'm not convinced that's what happened, just making sure we're
aware of that as a possibility
>
> however I do think Shrub is smart enough to claim Human to not
be Seer'd and as Human claims are often kept safe
>
--- End Quote ---
You're right. Indeed, I do admit enough here that EVEN IF you
claim human in this game, in the meta of this current rolelist,
it won't affect anything positively, but more or less negatively
- especially THAT early. It might make wolves more likely to
plant a bomb on you, it might even kill our main blue roles
immediately.
Human claims are not safe at all this game, regardless of
alignment, because of what I'm thinking, at least not until the
Bomber Wolf is confirmed dead.
Now, I don't know if I'm annoying you all with my constant
posting but I'm trying to get each individual point posted so my
internet won't screw up mid-long post. Sorry about that in case.
#Post#: 654--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: Kowhai
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:38 pm
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I have decided to change the rules re: day-ends, and instead
incorporate set timeframes into the desperation mechanics;
before the first stage of desperation for the town is activated,
days will have a limit of 48 hours, with potential to end
earlier depending if a conclusion is reached. Following the
first stage of desperation for town, days will have a limit of
36 hours, and following the second stage days will be no longer
than 24 hours. to be clear, I am mainly implementing this
because I think it is cool and interesting, and we're early
enough in the game that I can still make changes like this. that
said, it is also a response to a few people who are of the
opinion that set time limits are more helpful for providing
structure.
so to be clear, this day is due to end at 5:00 am tonight my
time (1:00 pm tomorrow eastern time). it may go over a bit,
simply because I do not intend to be up that late, but we'll
see.
#Post#: 655--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Penguin022 link ---
>
> ok i just hope at some point it leads us to a wolf
>
> lynch lena
>
--- End Quote ---
And where the hell is the evidence? At least when making a lynch
post, please make sure you including some reasoning with it.
It's okay to lynch someone straight up if they have something
going for them, but as of where I have gone up to so far, there
is VERY LITTLE stuff of substance for me to even question
wanting to lynch Lena here.
May I ask what actually prompted you in the first place to go
for it, and secondly, why Lena out of everyone else remaining in
the game?
#Post#: 656--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: Cosmic
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:52 pm
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--- Quote from: CursedSkylark link ---
>
> [quote author=Penguin022 link=topic=27.msg550#msg550
date=1586806665]
> ok i just hope at some point it leads us to a wolf
>
> lynch lena
>
--- End Quote ---
And where the hell is the evidence? At least when making a lynch
post, please make sure you including some reasoning with it.
It's okay to lynch someone straight up if they have something
going for them, but as of where I have gone up to so far, there
is VERY LITTLE stuff of substance for me to even question
wanting to lynch Lena here.
May I ask what actually prompted you in the first place to go
for it, and secondly, why Lena out of everyone else remaining in
the game?
[/quote]
I fear you may have missed Penguin's major post.
#Post#: 657--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:53 pm
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--- Quote from: ‎jerk link ---
>
> Sorry I haven't said ****
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: ‎jerk link ---
>
> It's day one it comes down to hunches
>
--- End Quote ---
This is the most generic posts I've seen. It gives absolutely
nothing and it tell us absolutely nothing.
How is this even to help us read what you're thinking? If Day
One comes down to hunches, where are your hunches? I might be
picking at straws but anything is better than generic posts like
I see here.
From where I am up to right now, lynch Jerk for being generic as
hell. It does not give a good vibe when someone ain't
constructive if you know what I mean. It's a primary lynch so it
is bound to most likely change.
#Post#: 658--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:54 pm
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--- Quote from: Cosmic link ---
>
> [quote author=CursedSkylark link=topic=27.msg655#msg655
date=1586904294]
> [quote author=Penguin022 link=topic=27.msg550#msg550
date=1586806665]
> ok i just hope at some point it leads us to a wolf
>
> lynch lena
>
--- End Quote ---
And where the hell is the evidence? At least when making a lynch
post, please make sure you including some reasoning with it.
It's okay to lynch someone straight up if they have something
going for them, but as of where I have gone up to so far, there
is VERY LITTLE stuff of substance for me to even question
wanting to lynch Lena here.
May I ask what actually prompted you in the first place to go
for it, and secondly, why Lena out of everyone else remaining in
the game?
[/quote]
I fear you may have missed Penguin's major post.
[/quote]
I'm posting as I see the post starting from Page 1 so I haven't
yet seen it. I'm at the start of Page 4
#Post#: 659--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: Cosmic
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:55 pm
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--- Quote from: CursedSkylark link ---
>
> [quote author=Cosmic link=topic=27.msg656#msg656
date=1586904774]
> [quote author=CursedSkylark link=topic=27.msg655#msg655
date=1586904294]
> [quote author=Penguin022 link=topic=27.msg550#msg550
date=1586806665]
> ok i just hope at some point it leads us to a wolf
>
> lynch lena
>
--- End Quote ---
And where the hell is the evidence? At least when making a lynch
post, please make sure you including some reasoning with it.
It's okay to lynch someone straight up if they have something
going for them, but as of where I have gone up to so far, there
is VERY LITTLE stuff of substance for me to even question
wanting to lynch Lena here.
May I ask what actually prompted you in the first place to go
for it, and secondly, why Lena out of everyone else remaining in
the game?
[/quote]
I fear you may have missed Penguin's major post.
[/quote]
I'm posting as I see the post starting from Page 1 so I haven't
yet seen it. I'm at the start of Page 4
[/quote]
Fair enough. You will get the answer to your question soon.
#Post#: 660--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: Kowhai
Date: April 14, 2020, 6:07 pm
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leia - KitKats (69)
Penguin022 - Le_Shrub (26)/lena (49)/KitKats (84)
jerk - KitKats (88)
Le_Shrub - Penguin022 (63)/KitKats (123)
hoezzy - KitKats (126)
ZechAkari - KitKats (127)
CursedSkylark - jerk (145)
ColtsFan18 - Penguin022 (65)/Unlynch (103)
Jess - Le_Shrub (32)/Unlynch (122)
KitKats - ZechAkari (24)/Le_Shrub (29)/Unlynch (51)/Penguin022
(60)/Unlynch (130)
Cosmic
☆_SuperBoomen_☆
lena
Nickito
CalaMity
xX_4vY_5i0nN4cH_Xx
KitKats - 6
jerk - 1
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: emertxEtaKtiK
Date: April 14, 2020, 6:48 pm
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Ugh there are too many messages and I have other things I
already planned to do with some friends
--- Quote from: leia link ---
>
> Okay hmm interesting
> Ah so I wasn't metagaming you as a player specifically. I was
trying to make the point that wishy-washy, jumpy behavior is a
wolf indicator for everyone. And you are currently being
wishy-washy and jumpy.
>
> The next part of your defense is a big paragraph explaining
why you just are a wishy washy player, and your behavior in this
game isn't really all that different from your behavior last
game. But here's why I think your metagaming of yourself is
wrong:
> - In the Jailkeeper, you actually backed up your claims. When
you went from Super Boomen to Nick, you actually cited multiple
specific quotes and strung together a decent case (that I was v
happy about because it meant I had help lynching my targets as
exe). When you went from Le_Shrub to Penguin, you just said
Penguin was sus, and then lynched.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yeah I mean, good job in noticing that bit of a difference. I
can also make the same argument that any wolf could be taking
what someone said about me and making it into a better argument
as well right now knowing that i am a Human myself. I mean, I
honestly don't know what else to really say. I never really
think about maintaining a consistent play style, and I kinda
just go in playing. I don't always feel like quoting stuff one
on one, like I can do it here with you again, but like, do
realize that by the time I was quoting things and trying to come
off as if I was leading last game, I already established decent
credibility. I assisted and initially questioned CF18 even if I
thought it didn't really mean much and I might have missed
things about LeShrub, but at this point, it feels like any
mistake is a whole argument against me. By the time I was
quoting stuff and calling various players out and highlight
their posts, I already established a decent credibility by
assisting in taking down CF18/SB. I naturally felt more
confident.
--- Quote from: leia link ---
>
> - In the Jailkeeper, you were more careful with your lynch.
Your day 1 lynch, Colts, threw out a lynch that without any
explanation. You asked Colts a few questions and proded a bit
before you lynched him on Day 1. Penguin, like Colts, threw out
a lynch without any explanation. You did no question asking, no
prodding- you just said it was sus, and then lynched.
--- End Quote ---
I mean, yeah but like, Vinnie did the same Day 1 too. I wanted
to try something new since it seemed like a few players already
seemed to note that sudden lynches are just used to place
pressure on another player (like look at what Vinnie did, look
at what I did with Kowhai also last game). [/quote]
--- Quote from: leia link ---
>
> - In the Jailkeeper, your multiple theories about
me/Jess/Kowhai/Nick etc. were your own ideas. Sure, people had
probably mentioned "hey jess is a lil sus maybe check that out
later", but for the most part, you were bringing them up on your
own, explaining why you wanted to probe them later, and then
following through and probing them later. Whereas in this game,
so much of page 2 in Desperation is you just responding
positively to Penguin's thoughts.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well, I brought up thoughts about Penguin. I have another
thought too that I will talk about now.
--
Honestly, whatever happens, hear this out. You will see I am not
a wolf; I don't think there's really hope in me getting
unlynched and having yall lynch someone else.
I would pay close attention to these people specifically
-> the ones who felt like my argument seemed more compelling
after reading what I had to say but refused to do anything about
the lynch itself or even probe other players? [Lena/Avy]
--- Quote from: xX_4vY_5i0nN4cH_Xx link ---
>
> I'm leaning slightly more towards Penguin being evil just
because of how ridiculously similar this is to how his playstyle
was in Tick Tock 2, but I genuinely cannot see both him and Iz
being evil, given that there are no independent roles aside from
the ultimately rather benign Borrower. Sure, theoretically it
could be some advanced bussing strategy, but I feel like
implementing something so risky this early on in the game would
not only be out of character, but also a pretty questionable
decision given the desperation gimmick this game - and that's
without even mentioning that there's far too much pushback from
both of them on each other for bussing to be likely here.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: lena link ---
>
> I really liked KKE's response post, I think it actually does
justify her behavior pretty well. If I'm not mistaken she was
suspected last game for the same reason and turned out to be
town so this is consistent behavior so her post checks out imo -
although it should defo be acknowledged that a lot of her post
was metagame-y (and analyzing Penguin's strategy on the side)
and I know that metagaming is a very iffy strategy with people
even though I personally am fine with it.
>
> In regards to the the overlooming KKE v.s. Penguin thing going
on and it's not a 1 is definitively wolf 1 is definitively good
thing - they could both be evil or good, but that should be
common sense. So I don't really want to lynch either one of them
at this point but we'll see how this develops in the near
future.
>
--- End Quote ---
Now let me say this, wolves will know I am innocent for sure,
but also, they won't mind having me be lynched. However, I am
somewhat inclined to believe that a wolf would be more likely to
stay low and not post as strong of an opinion or really do much
to actually change the vote, because it would be in their
interest for the vote not to change, but also for them to come
across as less suspicious because they "agreed" with my argument
as they wouldn't want as much attention drawn upon them.
Whatever Penguin022 and Leia actually are, I think it's
interesting to note that Lena found my argument believable or
found Penguin022 suspicious but refused to really take action
until others spoke up more. Because of this, I want to lynch
Lena right now just because of how she's just kinda been under
the radar for a bit, and I found it weird that, she kind of just
defended me but also never really expanded upon anything too
much; plus people have questioned her before and she hasn't
replied too much to any of that either. Like it was a post that
said my response was believable and that was almost just about
it. Nothing probed at any other players. Nothing in her post
even slightly promotes further discussion about my case or why I
should be more believable. She didn't lynch anyone else in
return or even try to take a lynch off of me if she found my
words believable, which I found kind of weird; like it kind of
just seemed like a statement that was kind of there. Kind of
like the statements I made against SB and in support of Lena in
last game, when I already knew Lena was Blue and that SB was
gonna have to be the wolf when others didn't know yet. As with a
wolf, any wolf would know I'm def gonna come up as not a wolf if
I were to be lynched....soo (ya sorry ik i was all over the
place, like i kinda thought wolves could choose to play risky on
day 1, given how we have not had a night shift, but also, wolves
could also take advantage of this lynch by defending me or
saying i seem right in case i do get lynched)
It's probably a wild move to lynch someone defending me but
like...it's just a strange gut feeling I have about this.
Lynching Lena because of this. Want to hear more from her
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