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#Post#: 642--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: emertxEtaKtiK
Date: April 14, 2020, 3:56 pm
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Wish I could have had more time to organize everything
but I have a class at 5 and something I need to do after class
As for my lynch, it's a bit early to make anymore speculations
on Penguin or to lynch him IMO. It's a risky thing to play on
Day 1 if you are a wolf, but, risk wise, from a wolf's
perspective it's a pretty good strategy iMO. I want to elaborate
more upon this later but I don't have time due to class.
For now, I also want Lena to say something before evn making
another decision. I am surprised she hasn't actually said much,
but I know she's also still doing other things too.
Unlynch Penguin for now if I have not already
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: lena
Date: April 14, 2020, 4:36 pm
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I really liked KKE's response post, I think it actually does
justify her behavior pretty well. If I'm not mistaken she was
suspected last game for the same reason and turned out to be
town so this is consistent behavior so her post checks out imo -
although it should defo be acknowledged that a lot of her post
was metagame-y (and analyzing Penguin's strategy on the side)
and I know that metagaming is a very iffy strategy with people
even though I personally am fine with it.
In regards to the the overlooming KKE v.s. Penguin thing going
on and it's not a 1 is definitively wolf 1 is definitively good
thing - they could both be evil or good, but that should be
common sense. So I don't really want to lynch either one of them
at this point but we'll see how this develops in the near
future.
#Post#: 644--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: xX_4vY_5i0nN4cH_Xx
Date: April 14, 2020, 4:50 pm
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I'm leaning slightly more towards Penguin being evil just
because of how ridiculously similar this is to how his playstyle
was in Tick Tock 2, but I genuinely cannot see both him and Iz
being evil, given that there are no independent roles aside from
the ultimately rather benign Borrower. Sure, theoretically it
could be some advanced bussing strategy, but I feel like
implementing something so risky this early on in the game would
not only be out of character, but also a pretty questionable
decision given the desperation gimmick this game - and that's
without even mentioning that there's far too much pushback from
both of them on each other for bussing to be likely here.
#Post#: 645--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:09 pm
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Hello all. I just what got pinged by Nick to check this since I
was unaware this had ALREADY started.
So for Day 1, I'm gonna read through stuff primarily, quote
where I feel it's necessary and get my lynch vote in whenever.
I probably might need an extension myself to do this since my
internet screws up in 50 minutes.
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: emertxEtaKtiK
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:12 pm
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Here's just a weigh-in of risks from non-wolf and wolf on D1
As a non-wolf on Day 1:
Definitive Information:
- you don't know anything for certain. You can only rely on your
gut, user responses to situations, and meta. If no one ignites
ANY discussion, then it would be pretty much a complete random
lynch. You know you have to get someone lynched no matter what
and you'd hope it's not a town, but, nothing is confirmed. It's
all a matter of instinct.
- you want wolves dead because having a wolf dead benefits both
Indie and Town
As a wolf on Day 1:
Definitive Information:
- you know all your wolves vs. non-wolves
- you have a team --> however, considering how much many
experienced players have tried to bring up "buddying", I've
honestly seen more scum players use this excuse or argument as a
call-out than town players AFAICR. Why?
- As a wolf, there's probably going to be at least one player
who is very careful of trying not to appear as if you are
buddying as a wolf because you know it's arguments people have
made in the past. You don't want to even risk having anything
come off as buddying
- i.e.: kowhai made an assumption last game that I was buddying
with Lena. At least with experienced players like me or Penguin,
I feel like we'd know better to not buddy or make it even SEEM
like we are buddying with another fellow wolf. I've only seen
wolves accuse or suspect others of buddying for the most part
without the slightest consideration that the people being
accused may have already been smart enough to think about coming
across as not trying to buddy.
- they know who is wolf and who's not, and if anyone who is Town
even seems like they are buddying or says anything out of line..
when there is contention during a day without hard evidence, a
wolf might try to call it out because it's an assumption ANYONE
can notice, not JUST a wolf
- it's in the wolf's dominant strategy to try and get a town
lynched Day 1 no matter what; you don't want to risk even having
a wolf be called out or lynched Day 1, and sometimes, speaking
up a bit more about a town player that behaved even a tad bit
out the ordinary, might cause people to take action against that
town player because it wouldn't be hard to make up something
like "hey no one else had any better leads; it was just
something people noticed and agreed on after i brought it up
too"
- worst case scenario?? if a wolf is lynched D2 after getting a
town lynched D1, this situation is ALWAYS better than having a
wolf getting lynched on D1
It's a lot safer for a wolf to play riskier and push more on Day
1 IMO than for a Town to play Risky IMO with all that being said
And with that being said, it was why I chose to remain hesitant
and skeptical and wishy-washy. I wanted to be attentive to
Penguin more because of meta. And in all honesty, Penguin's
strategy seemed very very risky to play as a town role.
I honestly want to hear others' thoughts of this before making a
final decision. I also want to hear some people like
Leia/Penguin give a second response
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: Kowhai
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:12 pm
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leia - KitKats (69)
Penguin022 - Le_Shrub (26)/lena (49)/KitKats (84)
jerk - KitKats (88)
Le_Shrub - Penguin022 (63)/KitKats (123)
hoezzy - KitKats (126)
ZechAkari - KitKats (127)
ColtsFan18 - Penguin022 (65)/Unlynch (103)
Jess - Le_Shrub (32)/Unlynch (122)
KitKats - ZechAkari (24)/Le_Shrub (29)/Unlynch (51)/Penguin022
(60)/Unlynch (130)
Cosmic
☆_SuperBoomen_☆
lena
Nickito
CalaMity
xX_4vY_5i0nN4cH_Xx
CursedSkylark (1/2)
KitKats - 6
#Post#: 648--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: leia
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:13 pm
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Okay hmm interesting
--- Quote from: KitKats link ---
>
> It seems like the vast majority of the argument against me is
based on how I suddenly changed my mind and wasn’t as confident
in what I was saying or lynching. People probably think I am
always super confident according to past game.
>
> This is not true. If you are going to base an argument that I
am not wishy-washy usually, it’s only if I have definitive
evidence.
--- End Quote ---
Ah so I wasn't metagaming you as a player specifically. I was
trying to make the point that wishy-washy, jumpy behavior is a
wolf indicator for everyone. And you are currently being
wishy-washy and jumpy.
The next part of your defense is a big paragraph explaining why
you just are a wishy washy player, and your behavior in this
game isn't really all that different from your behavior last
game. But here's why I think your metagaming of yourself is
wrong:
- In the Jailkeeper, you actually backed up your claims. When
you went from Super Boomen to Nick, you actually cited multiple
specific quotes and strung together a decent case (that I was v
happy about because it meant I had help lynching my targets as
exe). When you went from Le_Shrub to Penguin, you just said
Penguin was sus, and then lynched.
- In the Jailkeeper, you were more careful with your lynch. Your
day 1 lynch, Colts, threw out a lynch that without any
explanation. You asked Colts a few questions and proded a bit
before you lynched him on Day 1. Penguin, like Colts, threw out
a lynch without any explanation. You did no question asking, no
prodding- you just said it was sus, and then lynched.
- In the Jailkeeper, your multiple theories about
me/Jess/Kowhai/Nick etc. were your own ideas. Sure, people had
probably mentioned "hey jess is a lil sus maybe check that out
later", but for the most part, you were bringing them up on your
own, explaining why you wanted to probe them later, and then
following through and probing them later. Whereas in this game,
so much of page 2 in Desperation is you just responding
positively to Penguin's thoughts.
@Avy I think it would be whack if this was bussing just because
of how inactive KKE has been- wolf!Penguin has had many
opportunities to back down because of her inactivity, and he
hasn't. But also important to keep scumPenguin in mind just
cause he is a weird player and it was an interesting strategy
(even though I liked it).
@Lena so who do you want to lynch then? Le_Shrub is the only
other sus case that's been going around so far (unless you count
KKE's thing against Zech). Are you thinking him, or is there
someone else you wanna bring up?
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: leia
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:16 pm
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KKE I don't get the post about day 1 strategies you just made
--- Quote from: KitKats link ---
>
> It's a lot safer for a wolf to play riskier and push more on
Day 1 IMO than for a Town to play Risky IMO with all that being
said
> And with that being said, it was why I chose to remain
hesitant and skeptical and wishy-washy. I wanted to be attentive
to Penguin more because of meta. And in all honesty, Penguin's
strategy seemed very very risky to play as a town role.
>
--- End Quote ---
Can you explain how town plays risky exactly, and why that is
bad? I'm outlandishly risky when I'm human, because it's
literally all I can do.
#Post#: 650--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:19 pm
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--- Quote from: KitKats link ---
>
> Don't like how Boomen and Zech claimed human after LeShrub
brought up stuff about Meta. Even though LeShrub seems like he
made a genuine mistake (like the timing of his posts show that
he was pretty quick to post again), he did still note that the
less people we have claim human, the more safety there is for
blue roles as a whole.
>
> Particularly, I found it interesting that last game, people
were talking about Boomen always being quick to claim if he was
a blue role or town role. I've never seen him play Human before,
but has anyone ever played with him being Human? Would like to
hear more people offer advice on his past playing behavior.
>
> [b]Lynching Zech/b]
>
> Even as a legit Human, he acted completely like a Maniac/Fool
last game to the point where it didn't benefit town at all; I
really don't like how Zech claimed Human even after Shrub
acknowledged his own mistake of claiming Human to give more
protection for blue roles
>
--- End Quote ---
Primarily, this caught my interest.
Now, I don't know too much about last game, let's admit that,
but overall, given how both did it as their very first post, I
doubt they wouldn't have seen what Le Shrub would have put down
for sure. I don't like it either, but that's my impression from
Page 1.
Will keep you all updated on later pages.
#Post#: 651--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 14, 2020, 5:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Penguin022 link ---
>
> **** I missed the start I was asleep :( Huzzy joining the game
is great tho, despite my disinterest in the Borrower role.
>
> KKE beat me to what I was going to say about L_S, although I
came to a different conclusion than she did. I thought it seemed
totally wolfy, the difference in time between the posts felt so
prepared, and I think he would remember the meta.
>
> Zech and Boomen claiming human after L_S pointing that out is
also sus but I think it's more in character for them.
>
> Lynch L_S.
>
--- End Quote ---
I've never seen them play, honestly, but let's actually look at
timestamps:
--- Quote from: Le_Shrub link ---
>
> [quote author=Le_Shrub link=topic=27.msg508#msg508
date=1586797588]
> Mmmm first human game
>
--- End Quote ---
Or wait is the meta not to human claim so the important roles
are protected? Crap.
[/quote]
I don't understand how would you prepare to do all that in 30
seconds, although I do indeed see where you are coming from.
My question to you Penguin here is what actually made you
believe the timing was actually prepared? For example, what is
the main standout factor to you aside from "remembering the
meta"?
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