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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: emertxEtaKtiK Date: April 13, 2020, 9:07 pm
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Before anyone calls me out more for being suspicious,
I just want to say yeah, I would like to address each of
Penguin's points at sometime and other people's points in the
process, but please do realize
1. I am not on break like many of you and I still have to strive
my best to do well in classes that are for my degrees
2. I kind of want a break to just vibe and relax for a bit
without having to worry to respond through long posts especially
after having slept for roughly 4-5 hours each night at 4-6 AM
for the past week or so because of school work in general, and
just other things I wanted to do
3. I still have projects being due
4. I am gonna catch up with people first since I feel relatively
relieved right now compared to the past few days when I had like
2 exams
5. Yes I will still reply to each point; I just want to let the
people who are dying to wait to see what I post know that not
everyone prioritizes online games at maximum priority even if
they are fun games
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: lena Date: April 13, 2020, 9:16 pm
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You seem to have been doing that just fine already earlier today
so I really don't see the point of you making that post. Sorry.
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: Penguin022 Date: April 13, 2020, 11:44 pm
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[quote author=Jess link=topic=27.msg618#msg618 date=1586828568]
I don’t have much to say rn since I’m again a bit lost now.
I read oenguin’s post and it still didn’t clarify WHY exactly he
lynched Lena. Like it does create discussion but it really
doesn’t help the town right now to lead us down a rabbit hole.
His points about kke were very good, but because of the whole
random lynch thing I don’t trust him completely. He’s just being
so vague in the post about why and I don’t like that kind of
vagueness. Lynch penguin
[/quote]
I think I totally explained why I lynched Lena, it was not a
random lynch, it was a setup to see how people reacted. I chose
Lena just because she hadn't given any noteworthy points and she
seemed like the kind of user who a lot of people would have
reads of and would give an interesting response. That was the
entire reason, just to get reactions from people based on such a
seemingly random lynch - which I did get.
[quote author=☆_SuperBoomen_☆
link=topic=27.msg620#msg620 date=1586829791]
I'll follow my strategy, just vote for someone when I'm sure he
is a wolf, only after the night can I draw conclusions and go
back to the posts from the beginning to analyze them again
[/quote]
Why after the night?
[quote author=KitKats link=topic=27.msg621#msg621
date=1586830071]
Before anyone calls me out more for being suspicious,
I just want to say yeah, I would like to address each of
Penguin's points at sometime and other people's points in the
process, but please do realize
1. I am not on break like many of you and I still have to strive
my best to do well in classes that are for my degrees
2. I kind of want a break to just vibe and relax for a bit
without having to worry to respond through long posts especially
after having slept for roughly 4-5 hours each night at 4-6 AM
for the past week or so because of school work in general, and
just other things I wanted to do
3. I still have projects being due
4. I am gonna catch up with people first since I feel relatively
relieved right now compared to the past few days when I had like
2 exams
5. Yes I will still reply to each point; I just want to let the
people who are dying to wait to see what I post know that not
everyone prioritizes online games at maximum priority even if
they are fun games
[/quote]
that's chill thanks for letting us know
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: hoezzy Date: April 14, 2020, 4:00 am
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Hoello guys!
This is my first TWG or ToS game in a while so I cannot really
agree or disagree with you all when you point to someone
behaving in a similar way as in a past game where they were
guilty, so oops.
Reading through everything I cannot really see who among KKE and
penguin looks more guilty, although I am leaning towards one, so
I would not lynch anyone for now. I would like to see more
discussion before I decide to vote.
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: leia Date: April 14, 2020, 7:00 am
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Here's the problem. We're seeing a whole lot of this: [quote
author=hoezzy link=topic=27.msg625#msg625 date=1586854857]
I would like to see more discussion before I decide to vote.
[/quote]
[quote author=CalaMity link=topic=27.msg607#msg607
date=1586823170]
Sorry!
After reading the topic, I find KitKats to be the most
suspicious, but Penguin022 is not off my watch list.
[/quote][quote author=☆_SuperBoomen_☆
link=topic=27.msg620#msg620 date=1586829791]
I'll follow my strategy, just vote for someone when I'm sure he
is a wolf, only after the night can I draw conclusions and go
back to the posts from the beginning to analyze them again
[/quote][quote author=ColtsFan18 link=topic=27.msg609#msg609
date=1586823406]
unlynch, this is giving me a headache
[/quote]
Everyone is waiting for everyone else to make a post. Penguin
has already made his defense, and he keeps defending himself, so
we're set there. What we really need is KKE's defense, but I
suppose we're not getting that today. So, the best we can do is
probably to have other people arguing for them.
@CF18, who is more suspicious, and why?
@SuperBoomen and hoezzy, if you had to lynch someone right now,
who would you and why would you?
@CalaMity, why do you think KKE is more suspicious? Why isn't
Penguin off your list though?
I myself will make a nice post explaining my reasons for the KKE
lynch more but just not right now cause spanish starts in a
minute
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: leia Date: April 14, 2020, 7:06 am
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also Lena/Nick, pick someone to back! or explain why you don't
want to pick someone to back! you two have just been
memeing/explaining things unrelated to the cases since this went
down and I'd much rather know what you're thinking
#Post#: 628--------------------------------------------------
Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: Cosmic Date: April 14, 2020, 9:31 am
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[quote author=leia link=topic=27.msg595#msg595 date=1586817140]
I generally agree with what you've said- I do just wanna be
cautious of Cosmic because he's not usually this active at all.
I think what he's been saying is good town leaning stuff but a
little metagaming never hurt anyone, and I'd like to be a bit
careful with his newfound activity.
[/quote]
I understand your point completely. However, I happen to have
slightly more time on my hands, and this game has started far
more interestingly than the last for me, as Penguin mentioned.
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: hoezzy Date: April 14, 2020, 9:40 am
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Yeah, I am waiting for KKE's defence. To answer Leia's
question, let's go over some keypoints:
- L_S walking back on his statement is quite suspicious and we
seem to be agreeing on this.
- I haven't played a lot of recent games so can't say anything
about KKE's points about repeating patterns in behavior of some
users. However, what I remember is that Penguin definitely tries
to lead the town when he's scum. He's also active and assumes a
leadership position when he's town. Likewise, KKE is active and
prominent both as scum and as town.
-Penguin's lynch of Lena is suspicious and I don't really but
his reasoning. Penguin is smarter than this, and that lynch of
Lena seems out of character for him.
-KKE keeps changing her lynch. She thought L_S was town
initially and lynched Zech, then did a 360 on that, and now
she's lynching Penguin. Her behaviour is strange, especially
given she changed her position on L_S after Penguin said L_S
seems scum which can be chalked up to two things: either
Penguin's reasoning convinced her or that she's scum and wants
the day over with safe and sound. If the latter is the case, you
can argue that Zech is innocent too. However, given that she
seems to be accusing almost anyone including Cosmic where there
is nearly a consensus that Cosmic is town seems suspicious.
However there isn't any hard evidence against KKE apart from
some assumptions, so I want to wait for her defence before
lynching anyone.
To answer Leia's question, there seems to be more suspicious
behavior from L_S right now than Penguin or KKE, so if I had to
go with someone, I would go with L_S. However, other members are
considering his actions as something to be revisited later on
and not to lynch him right now, and it seems like the real
question here is whether KKE or Penguin022 are the real
contenders for the gallows. Among them, KKE's behavior seems
more suspicious than Penguin's for reasons I have discussed, so
I am slightly leaning towards lynching her. However, I need to
see KKE's defence before voting on who to lynch.
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: leia Date: April 14, 2020, 9:56 am
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So my case against KKE has 2 main parts
1) Her only reason to lynch Zech is that she doesn't like his
gameplay, and she's pushes it hard.
[spoiler][quote author=KitKats link=topic=27.msg525#msg525
date=1586803409]
Lynching Zech/b]
Even as a legit Human, he acted completely like a Maniac/Fool
last game to the point where it didn't benefit town at all; I
really don't like how Zech claimed Human even after Shrub
acknowledged his own mistake of claiming Human to give more
protection for blue roles
[/quote]She contradicts herself directly in the two sentences
that explain her lynch vote. She says why she wants to lynch him
(weird timing with the human claim), but then also explains that
Zech just acts that way when he's human. This vote confuses me.
[quote author=KitKats link=topic=27.msg552#msg552
date=1586806892]
lmfao
I really kinda just want to switch back to lynching ZechAkari
Like he is not even trying and can't see him helping town
honestly if he isn't going to bother read anything.
[/quote][quote author=KitKats link=topic=27.msg547#msg547
date=1586806364]
[quote author=ZechAkari link=topic=27.msg545#msg545
date=1586806249]
i human claim without reading posts when im human because it's
usually the norm, oops
i'll acknowledge the other posts in a bit i just wanted to get
this out there
[/quote]Do you not read other posts though? Even from last game?
[/quote]It really feels like she's approaching Zech like many
people approach Rias/Mercury- lynching him because she doesn't
like his gameplay. Which is a good wolf strategy, because
Rias/Mercury types are very easy to push a lynch on because
their behavior is just always abnormal.[/spoiler]
2) she's very jumpy and agreeable
After like two posts out of Penguin, KKE switches to L_S, citing
that "I am confident he can try to post more throughout the day;
not as confident with Zech thugh". I don't get how posting more
= scum in Le_Shrub's case, and, as Penguin points out a few
posts later, both Zech and L_S were active last game.
There are three really weird things about KKE's L_S lynch is her
reason for it (which I wrote above- her initial reason makes no
sense) and also the fact that she continues to push Zech while
lynching L_S. See: [spoiler][quote author=KitKats
link=topic=27.msg535#msg535 date=1586805305]
[quote author=Penguin022 link=topic=27.msg531#msg531
date=1586804881]
I think I would've believed it more if he just stuck to his guns
tbh, the covering up looked off.
don't be afraid of bombs @blue roles
Also, Zech was as active as pretty much any other player last
game :)
[/quote][b]Ya I lowkey feel
After seeing your thoughts, decided to look at his posts last
game; he said wolves can only really safely claim Human or claim
nothing.
From the looks of last game, pretty much all of the 4 human
claims got by fairly easily, like as much as we suspected the
**** out of Zech, we still didn't prioritize lynching him or
anything, and he lived until the game had to just stop. The vast
majority of the accused people from last game were all
non-claimers, whether it was me, Kowhai, Lena, or Nick. Lena was
accused as scum until she literally had to claim Jailkeeper.
Like most of the contention was on Nick and Kowhai at the end,
whom both didn't claim.
Given how he was p active last game, it does make sense to think
that he'd just be like "Oh, the people last game were more
lenient on Human claims as a whole; maybe I can get away and try
to fake making a mistake".
[/quote][quote author=KitKats link=topic=27.msg538#msg538
date=1586805689]
[quote author=Penguin022 link=topic=27.msg537#msg537
date=1586805522]
I have regretted stuff and rethought wordings ofc, but what your
claim will be is entirely different, I think most players would
consider the circumstances before posting their role, especially
since L_S was the first to claim.
[/quote]Yeah, like, even though LS was Warden last game who got
results, you can see that it took him a bit after Day to
officially reveal so he's def been carful in past games
[/quote][quote author=KitKats link=topic=27.msg541#msg541
date=1586805965]
Yeah okay, for sure more leaning with Penguin's beliefs.
Shrubby was so careful in every move he made last game, from
making the decision to reveal as Warden, to announcing who
visited Leia. It took him quite some time to officially reveal
that Lena and SB visited Leia even though people have already
started suspecting or doubting that his post where he called out
like 5 people and wanted to specifically hear more from Lena/SB
had deeper meaning. Like, honestly, don't see him being hasty in
all honesty. Like, you could see how hesitant he was and how
careful he thought out what he was gonna say.
[quote author=Cosmic link=topic=27.msg539#msg539
date=1586805799]
I personally believe that the L_S incident is a complete waste
of time focusing on right now and will only sidetrack us, come
back to it later if you must but there's basically nothing their
given the complete lack of knowledge we have about any other
roles rn.
Although I'll also tell you nothing of note ever gets done on
Day 1 so those are just my ramblings. I don't think it's
noteworthy for now, basically.
[/quote]I mean, you don't even have any alternatives? Like we
can't just abstain a lynch. I feel like your post here is more
sidetracky
[/quote][quote author=KitKats link=topic=27.msg547#msg547
date=1586806364]
[quote author=Penguin022 link=topic=27.msg543#msg543
date=1586806155]
(Don't necessarily consider Cosmic sus for that post tho, his
meta is not liking lynching unless 100% sure, as much as I
disagree with him)
[/quote]yeah I know
I just know he's always been kinda like this too which is why I
want to push more out of him before any decisions. Regardless,
still thinks what has been said about L_S holds. The hastiness
he's displayed this game just doesn't compare to how careful he
was last game
[quote author=ZechAkari link=topic=27.msg545#msg545
date=1586806249]
i human claim without reading posts when im human because it's
usually the norm, oops
i'll acknowledge the other posts in a bit i just wanted to get
this out there
[/quote]Do you not read other posts though? Even from last game?
[/quote][/spoiler]KKE is so agreeable is in all of these posts.
Not once is she flat out "no, you're wrong, this is what I think
and I'm gonna argue for it". Instead, she's very wishy washy,
and I've bolded all of these parts above. The bolded parts are
followed by a modification of her previous statement, or a
return to a point that Penguin022 could agree with. It feels
like all KKE is doing is being agreeable, and she's trying to
make it look like she's pushing her own points, when in reality
she keeps changing them every time Penguin posts here- which is
pretty scummy if you ask me.
apologies this is not a very well organized nor finished case I
wrote it in my 30 minute break between classes, it only goes up
to like page 3 but the point I'm trying to make is that a) KKE's
Zech push is wolfy and b) KKE's agreeableness and jumpiness is
wolfy, plz let me know where things don't make sense and ask
questions and prod at it a bit
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Re: TWG CXXIII: Desperation (Day 1)
By: leia Date: April 14, 2020, 10:05 am
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@Hoezzy yeah a KKE defense would be really helpful right now but
your points have some good insight. I agree that L_S is also
pretty scummy, but he's been more in the background and I think
honestly the best information I've been getting from him is his
reactions to what's going on right now. There have been some
scummy gems in there (see: the can we all agree thing).
@ everyone who is confused as to why Penguin022 lynched Lena.
I'm not Penguin so I cannot explain his thoughts, but I thought
it was a pretty valid lynch. At the start of Day 1, I usually
lynch for information. I lynch to see how people react (both the
target of my lynch and other players), because it's the only way
you can really gain information. Penguin was just gathering
information, and we clearly got a lot of it- KKE, as hoezzy
pointed out, seems like she did a full 180, Colts seemed to just
jump on a train, and others (Nick, Jess) prodded a little
closer.
Imo, it's the people who prod a little closer who are more
likely to be town, but you gotta throw some metagaming in there
too.
Also good to know @Cosmic
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