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       #Post#: 245--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: Le_Shrub
       Date: April 9, 2020, 10:25 am
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       --- Quote from: lena link ---
       >
       > I am still very eh about this lynch. Colts just doesn't look
       as scummy as he has when he does play wolf imo - this one seemed
       more like an "oh **** I have to come up with reads or else
       they'll immediately go after me".
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This I agree with, but then again that's what most of us are
       doing this game imo. We're all trying to contribute as much as
       possible but there's almost nothing to talk about so no one
       reads as suspicious but Colts and Zech to anyone.
       I don't think we have anything better right now though?
       I'll lynch Colts.
       #Post#: 246--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: lena
       Date: April 9, 2020, 10:26 am
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       --- Quote from: leia link ---
       >
       > [quote author=lena link=topic=20.msg240#msg240
       date=1586444226]
       > I am still very eh about this lynch. Colts just doesn't look
       as scummy as he has when he does play wolf imo - this one seemed
       more like an "oh **** I have to come up with reads or else
       they'll immediately go after me".
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       except I count that as wolfy behavior- coming up with a lynch
       solely to avoid being lynched. I think there's a difference
       between trying to play the game and not be called out for being
       passive (which I honestly see more from SuperBoomen), and what
       Colts is doing, coming up with a lynch to avoid being lynched.
       [/quote]
       Was he being lynched before or after his claim? I thought before
       it was a lynch on ZechAkari and then he pops in and then people
       call him out. I think coming up with a lynch to avoid being
       lynched is when there's suspicion already on you and then you
       want to throw them off.
       What I'm afraid of is that this is turning into what we always
       do with Mercury/Rias - lynching them based on suspicious
       behavior all the time when that's just how they play the game.
       There is also little pushback against this lynch - it's an easy
       potential mislynch (or sacrifice, depending on if I'm totally
       wrong and he's wolf) for wolves imo.
       #Post#: 247--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: leia
       Date: April 9, 2020, 10:39 am
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       --- Quote from: lena link ---
       >
       > [quote author=leia link=topic=20.msg244#msg244
       date=1586445697]
       > [quote author=lena link=topic=20.msg240#msg240
       date=1586444226]
       > I am still very eh about this lynch. Colts just doesn't look
       as scummy as he has when he does play wolf imo - this one seemed
       more like an "oh **** I have to come up with reads or else
       they'll immediately go after me".
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       except I count that as wolfy behavior- coming up with a lynch
       solely to avoid being lynched. I think there's a difference
       between trying to play the game and not be called out for being
       passive (which I honestly see more from SuperBoomen), and what
       Colts is doing, coming up with a lynch to avoid being lynched.
       [/quote]
       Was he being lynched before or after his claim? I thought before
       it was a lynch on ZechAkari and then he pops in and then people
       call him out. I think coming up with a lynch to avoid being
       lynched is when there's suspicion already on you and then you
       want to throw them off.
       What I'm afraid of is that this is turning into what we always
       do with Mercury/Rias - lynching them based on suspicious
       behavior all the time when that's just how they play the game.
       There is also little pushback against this lynch - it's an easy
       potential mislynch (or sacrifice, depending on if I'm totally
       wrong and he's wolf) for wolves imo.
       [/quote]I believe Vinnie had lynched him to start the game off,
       but it wasn't really anything substantial- just a "eh all he's
       done is claimed human and I get some sketchy vibes, might as
       well push to see where it goes". There were also quite a few
       posts worth of people stating why they didn't want to lynch
       Zech-
       me- "'d lynch Zech to push him for productivity but I don't
       think it would work, given that he once had 48 hours as a seer
       to defend himself from being lynched and he did not claim seer
       once in that 48 hour period, nor did he post anything more than
       a few sentences."
       kowhai- "don't really get the case against zech, I don't like
       the human claiming but we don't even have excess yet, and
       nothing about his particular response strikes me as wolfish. no
       one is reading wolf to me at all rn, but I might be missing
       something."
       jess- "Zech since you say you don’t have a life can you at least
       give a defense so we don’t lynch an important role? I don’t want
       a repeat of the seer thing and you clearly have the time to
       defend yourself"
       What's weird to me is that Colts comes in after all these points
       were made and lynches Zech, and doesn't offer any new arguments
       (or arguments period?). I do think you have a good point that we
       don't wanna follow a path of behavior based mislynches like with
       Rias/Mercury-- however, as I mentioned to Vinnie earlier, based
       on the past 3 games, Colts hasn't been the victim of unusual
       behavior related deaths.
       To your point about not enough opposition, I think that it would
       be really valid in a situation where the lynch quickly builds in
       half a day- but it's been like 1.5 days, and it was a somehow
       slowly building lynch imo. But that's valid, no opposition. Ugh
       I really wish he'd come in and defend himself more but idk where
       he is.
       (Did I answer everything did this make sense I'm typing in the
       middle of online class it's so boring)
       #Post#: 248--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: lena
       Date: April 9, 2020, 10:49 am
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       Okay, thanks. I'm less dubious going into this lynch now
       (Yeah, you answered my questions and it makes sense)
       #Post#: 249--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: ColtsFan18
       Date: April 9, 2020, 11:47 am
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       So I'm being lynched and there is probably nothing I can do
       about it, but I've been trying to help the town, even if I
       didn't do shit. I understand that whatever role I get I usually
       play like a wolf, but you need to believe me this time. I am not
       a wolf. If you want to lynch me fine, I understand, but lynching
       me would be a mistake when there are three other people in this
       game who are actually wolves.
       #Post#: 250--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: ColtsFan18
       Date: April 9, 2020, 11:49 am
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       --- Quote from: leia link ---
       >
       > Yeah I'll lynch ColtsFan
       >
       > Colts, can you point to specific posts where Ziggy's behavior
       has been weird? It's clearly not a vibe thing because you
       literally said "Zech has been acting weird", so there must be
       things that he posted that have lead you to believe it.
       >
       > to what other people (mainly Vinnie everyone else seems to be
       bringing up similar points) have been saying:
       > - Cosmic has generally been "blending in" the last few games
       anyway though, and afair he hasn't been scum. He just kinda
       lurks and is generally reluctant to lynch. Not saying he isn't
       scum right now, but just significant to note because as you
       said, you are a dirty metagamer
       > - ColtsFan hasn't really been suspected in the last two games
       because he hasn't been suspicious. Back to Basics, however, he
       got lynched on the first day because he was being sketchy. Maybe
       I'm missing something, but can you point to him being suspected
       by a large portion of players when he wasn't scum?
       >
       > - also @Avy I could take a Zech being fool/maniac, it would
       make sense given the dodgy behavior
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Youe mean Zech or...
       #Post#: 251--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: emertxEtaKtiK
       Date: April 9, 2020, 11:52 am
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       --- Quote from: ColtsFan18 link ---
       >
       > So I'm being lynched and there is probably nothing I can do
       about it, but I've been trying to help the town, even if I
       didn't do ****. I understand that whatever role I get I usually
       play like a wolf, but you need to believe me this time. I am not
       a wolf. If you want to lynch me fine, I understand, but lynching
       me would be a mistake when there are three other people in this
       game who are actually wolves.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       IDK, seems like quite a defense to me when most people are
       considering lynching you and all you do is "I am not a wolf"
       without really addressing the arguments against you or
       explaining in more detail about your actions.. or even trying to
       offer a better counterargument than "I am not a wolf"
       #Post#: 252--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: leia
       Date: April 9, 2020, 12:12 pm
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       --- Quote from: ColtsFan18 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=leia link=topic=20.msg223#msg223
       date=1586387678]
       > Yeah I'll lynch ColtsFan
       >
       > Colts, can you point to specific posts where Ziggy's behavior
       has been weird? It's clearly not a vibe thing because you
       literally said "Zech has been acting weird", so there must be
       things that he posted that have lead you to believe it.
       >
       > to what other people (mainly Vinnie everyone else seems to be
       bringing up similar points) have been saying:
       > - Cosmic has generally been "blending in" the last few games
       anyway though, and afair he hasn't been scum. He just kinda
       lurks and is generally reluctant to lynch. Not saying he isn't
       scum right now, but just significant to note because as you
       said, you are a dirty metagamer
       > - ColtsFan hasn't really been suspected in the last two games
       because he hasn't been suspicious. Back to Basics, however, he
       got lynched on the first day because he was being sketchy. Maybe
       I'm missing something, but can you point to him being suspected
       by a large portion of players when he wasn't scum?
       >
       > - also @Avy I could take a Zech being fool/maniac, it would
       make sense given the dodgy behavior
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Youe mean Zech or...
       [/quote]haha yes I do mean Zech
       You should really claim also, you're about to die
       #Post#: 253--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: Vinnie927
       Date: April 9, 2020, 12:34 pm
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       Wow this day was boring
       Need to wait to see how he flips to see what we can learn
       #Post#: 254--------------------------------------------------
       Re: TWG CXXII: The Jailkeeper [Day 1]
   DIR By: ColtsFan18
       Date: April 9, 2020, 12:36 pm
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       --- Quote from: leia link ---
       >
       > [quote author=ColtsFan18 link=topic=20.msg250#msg250
       date=1586450988]
       > [quote author=leia link=topic=20.msg223#msg223
       date=1586387678]
       > Yeah I'll lynch ColtsFan
       >
       > Colts, can you point to specific posts where Ziggy's behavior
       has been weird? It's clearly not a vibe thing because you
       literally said "Zech has been acting weird", so there must be
       things that he posted that have lead you to believe it.
       >
       > to what other people (mainly Vinnie everyone else seems to be
       bringing up similar points) have been saying:
       > - Cosmic has generally been "blending in" the last few games
       anyway though, and afair he hasn't been scum. He just kinda
       lurks and is generally reluctant to lynch. Not saying he isn't
       scum right now, but just significant to note because as you
       said, you are a dirty metagamer
       > - ColtsFan hasn't really been suspected in the last two games
       because he hasn't been suspicious. Back to Basics, however, he
       got lynched on the first day because he was being sketchy. Maybe
       I'm missing something, but can you point to him being suspected
       by a large portion of players when he wasn't scum?
       >
       > - also @Avy I could take a Zech being fool/maniac, it would
       make sense given the dodgy behavior
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Youe mean Zech or...
       [/quote]haha yes I do mean Zech
       You should really claim also, you're about to die
       [/quote]He's ignoring his lynch votes and didn't provide any
       form of defense whatsoever.
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