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THE VENTURES – WALK DON’T RUN (Which amp)?
By: abstamaria Date: May 9, 2013, 9:09 pm
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The equivalent in the Ventures World of the Shadows’ Apache is
of course “Walk Don’t Run, recorded coincidentally also in 1960
(more precisely on March 22, 1960). We know that Bob Bogle, the
Ventures’ lead guitarist then, used a Fender Jazzmaster,
probably with thick flatwounds, but which amplifier did he use?
Del Halterman, in his fairly recent, excellent book “Walk Don’t
Run,” described the session at Joe Boles’ basement studio,
describing which amplifiers Boles used to mic the amps. On the
amplifiers, Halterman wrote:
“On March 22, the group arrived at the Boles’ home with three
amplifiers, (Fender models Vibrolux and Bassman, and a Gibson
AG-40).”
In the book, Halterman says that Nokie Edwards, who played bass,
used the Bassman, which is logical. But which of the two amps –
the Gibson and the Fender – did Bob Bogle use? Halterman
doesn’t say.
Halterman doesn’t state the source for his information on the
amps. That could have been interviews of the Ventures. Joe
Boles died in 1962, and I am not sure if any studio records
survived.
Andy
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Re: THE VENTURES – WALK DON’T RUN (Which amp)?
By: wstagner Date: May 9, 2013, 9:44 pm
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Andy....
Del lurks around this forum sometimes, so maybe pose your
specific question(s) to him and see if he answers you. I
understand that much of the info in Del's great book came from
Don Wilson. But, he could probably tell you more about that 2.
I've said b4 that much of the V early sound was a result of the
Fender JM and I stand by that. Amps can add something to the
sound but those were simpler times. Try getting that JM sound
out of any guitar with the neck/bridge pups together and it just
ain't hapnin.
I'm sure Jeff Green of the Pickniks wood agree w/me on that.
Here's an example:
HTML http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A6x1Hi-RAk&list=PLkBe9XRqc5RnyPUlIy_lNfSbQxGlmjNDr&index=12
HTML http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A6x1Hi-RAk&list=PLkBe9XRqc5RnyPUlIy_lNfSbQxGlmjNDr&index=12
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Re: THE VENTURES – WALK DON’T RUN (Which amp)?
By: abstamaria Date: May 9, 2013, 9:51 pm
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Thanks, Walt. That's a great sound.
This is just a matter of historical interest to me. The Shadows
buffs know the which type tube was in the amplifier that Hank
Marvin used for Apache (no kidding), but we Ventures fans don't
even know what amp Bob Bogle used for that very important first
piece.
I started this thread here, although there is a discussion in
UF2, just so whatever information people contribute, or their
views, will be preserved hopefully and easy to access and update
in the future.
Best,
Andy
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Re: THE VENTURES – WALK DON’T RUN (Which amp)?
By: wstagner Date: May 9, 2013, 9:55 pm
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I guess we'll all have to wait for Nokie's book. ;D
#Post#: 1914--------------------------------------------------
Or a Fender Twin?
By: abstamaria Date: May 9, 2013, 10:46 pm
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In an interview of Bob Bogle by Willie Moseley that appeared in
the May 1997 issue of Vintage Guitar Magazine, Bob didn’t
mention either the Fender Vibrolux or Gibson GA40. Instead, Bob
said he used a Fender Twin (he and Don Wilson had been using a
Fender Twin as their sole amp in the several months leading to
the recording of WDR):
VG: “I presume you played your Fender Jazzmaster on the
original version of the Venture’ “Walk, Don’t Run.” Can you
tell me what kind of amplifier you used?”
BB: “As far as I know, I bought what was probably the first
Jazzmaster that hit Seattle. I used a Fender Twin amp, with two
twelves, on “Walk, Don’t Run.” At that time, I also had a
one-piece Fender Bassman amp that had four tens in it. I gave
that Jazzmaster to a friend of mine in Los Angeles; he still has
it.”
This is of course inconsistent with Del Halterman's 2009 book
and adds yet another possible amp to the mix.
Andy
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Re: THE VENTURES – WALK DON’T RUN (Which amp)?
By: wstagner Date: May 10, 2013, 8:26 am
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Unless there's written documentation (ie studio notes) I
wouldn't take anything as gospel. I can't remember what I did
yesterday, let alone 40 years ago! ::)
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Re: THE VENTURES – WALK DON’T RUN (Which amp)?
By: abstamaria Date: May 10, 2013, 11:10 am
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That's true, Walt. For that reason, there is probably little
point in asking Nokie and Don, but I wish someone would anyway.
I wonder what Del's source was. Joe Boles died in 1962.
Andy
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Re: THE VENTURES – WALK DON’T RUN (Which amp)?
By: wstagner Date: May 10, 2013, 11:26 am
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I think I said that I herd that Don was a major source in Del's
book.
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Re: THE VENTURES – WALK DON’T RUN (Which amp)?
By: abstamaria Date: May 11, 2013, 8:09 pm
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Thanks, Walt. If so, then Bob and Don seem to have had
different recollections. However, Del's book is quite detailed,
with mic models and so forth, so the impression I have is that
Del was relying on written records. I wish Del would clarify.
Andy
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Or Bob Bogle could have used a Gibson!
By: abstamaria Date: May 11, 2013, 8:13 pm
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One of the three candidates for the revered position of Bob
Bogle’s lead amp for the historic 1960 recording of Walk Don’t
Run is a Gibson GA40. According to Del Halterman’s book, a GA
40 was brought to the session along with the Fender Vibrolux.
The GA40 was the partner amp to Gibson’s flagship solidbody
electric, the Les Paul. It is not a 40-watt amp as the name
might suggest; a pair of lower-powered 6V6 output tubes put out
a conservative 14 to 16-watts. The GA-40 has an unusual
"pentode" preamp section - meaning it has five functional
elements other than the three of the standard 12AX7
dual-triode—called a 5879. The 5879 sounds nothing like the
12AX7 found in Fender’s amps. It is compared more to the early
Vox AC15s with pentode preamps, but probably has a completely
different tone as well.
GA-40s with two-tone covering made between 1956 and ’59 are
generally the most desirable, because they have the preferred
circuit and tube configuration. The Gibson site says “Part of
what’s so groovy about this amp is that it is nothing like any
of the Fender designs from the same era that have become such
classics.”
I always assumed that Bob Bogle either used the Fender Twin Amp
or, if our choices are truly limited to a Fender Vibrolux and
the Gibson GA40, then the Vibrolux. To suggest Bob Bogle used a
Gibson is like suggesting Hank Marvin of the Shadows used a
Fender Twin for Apache. But then again a GA40 might just be the
essential component to Bob’s also-elusive Walk Don’t Run sound.
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