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Re: New Poll--Ventures vs. Shadows
By: vibramute Date: July 24, 2013, 5:13 pm
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Geoff,
Firstly, I'm trying to figure out what you mean by 'growl'? I
can't recall any Ventures tune that has an Orbison growl it.
There are hoots, hollers and sound effects on a lot of Ventures
tracks, but nothing like the famous Orbison growl in 'Pretty
Woman'....
It seems like you are basing your observations on a few
complation CD's, and to be fair, I'd probably draw the same
conclusion if that's all the material I had available to me.
There are plenty of stale moments in the Ventures catalogue
(mostly when they were cranking out 'theme' albums), but I don't
feel they slagged off when it came to performance or that they
were particularly sloppy. They did a nice job handling the
material thrown at them. Granted, they may have sounded a little
'square' on some of the harder, bluesy, psychedelic material in
the late 60's, but the playing was always solid. You're not
going to get a sense of virtuosity listening to them cover "Hang
On Sloopy" (LOL) but if you dig a little deeper and listen to
the albums (espeically during the McGee/Durrill era when they
were writing some great originals) you'll hear some amazing
ensemble playing that is a far cry from 'The McCoy" ;)
(Ventures fans will get that joke).
Another thing to consider, Nokie and Gerry were very
accomplished guitarists when they joined the band, and while the
did continue to grow as pickers (listen to either now, they are
masters) they were good at playing just what the song called for
at the time. They didn't really seem worried about showing off
chops (which both men have in spades).
Lastly, let your ears be the judge: Listen to the Walk Don't Run
(1960) LP, then The Ventures In Space ('64), then New Testament
('71). Hard to believe its the same group, but you'll have to
acknowledge that they not only stayed fairly relevant, they
improved as a band and individually as players.
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Re: New Poll--Ventures vs. Shadows
By: geoff1711 Date: July 24, 2013, 5:40 pm
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Well I guess I'll have to take your word for it, I only have a
few compilation albums, which are transfered to my iPod and they
play in my car, I've certainly heard the growl on more than one
track, but as the iPod is locked away in the glove box it's hard
to see which track is playing when you're driving.
There's nothing wrong with the Ventures but their style is
different to The Shadows, but in all fairness my taste has
broadened and if I'm really honest there are plenty of other
guitarists I like as much if not more: Gilmore, Moore, Knopfler,
Trout, Santana and then of course there's always that nice Mr
Clapton then there's messrs Keef and Ronnie and my favourite
live band to see every Christmas the one and only Quo
All the best
Geoff
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Re: New Poll--Ventures vs. Shadows
By: harvey1954 Date: October 4, 2014, 12:49 pm
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The Shadows did tour the States in 1959 with Cliff, even played
Lubbock, TX which must have freaked out folk there when they saw
Hank with a Strat. They released Apache on Atlantic, but Jorgan
Ingman had the hit on Atco, Atlantic's sister label. I have
often thought that Atlantic deliberately failed to promote the
Shadows' version in order to throw Jerry a Wexler a hit on his
Atco label. I thought the Ventures are playing live in England
on the On Stage album? Was that just a lot of bunk? As for the
Shadows vs. the Ventures, I love the Ventures (especially their
Play Along records which as a teacher I appreciate). However,
the Shadows had Jerry Lordan who wrote Apache and a number of
other hits for them. They were also pretty good songwriters on
their own (Cliff hits like Summer Holiday). The Ventures'
songwriting never did much for me. I always thought they did
better with covers. They also drifted into a formula mode
towards the end of the 6ts (as would the Shadows).
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Re: New Poll--Ventures vs. Shadows
By: wstagner Date: October 6, 2014, 7:58 am
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To the best of OUR knowledge, The Ventures (as a band) have
never performed in UK.
Nokie performed in Amsterdam some years back and a DVD was
released called Nokie Live at the Sunhouse.
It's long outofprint but if you can find a copy it's
wellworthit.
#Post#: 2486--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Poll--Ventures vs. Shadows
By: The Fugitive Date: October 6, 2014, 9:46 am
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Greetings...newbie here.
I've been in contact with a Brit who's about the age when "Walk
Don't Run" would have hit England's radio waves. I posted my
cover of "Journey to the Stars" and his comment included the
statement he was not familiar with the group....which I thought
was....strange.
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Re: New Poll--Ventures vs. Shadows
By: geoff Date: March 15, 2017, 2:50 am
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Hi, I'm new here, feeling shocked after listening to the band
play Don Wilson's last tour, in Japan. (On YouTube) The vocals
were off-key, out of time and the guitar sound was poor, being
reedy and thin. Sometimes Don sounded drunk, or ill.
I've been a fan since the early 60s, although preferring the
Shadows.
Nokie Edwards on "I gotta woman" is beyond compare!
Geoff
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Re: New Poll--Ventures vs. Shadows
By: Sothall Mike Date: August 4, 2018, 11:02 am
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They were never as popular as the Shadows, but I liked them
anyway, as with other good Guitar playing bands. Thats just my
personal opinion anyway - Cheers Mike Kilner
South Yorkshire shadows club - UK..
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