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The BOB BOGLE Jazmaster Years
By: tabalt11 Date: May 28, 2012, 12:49 pm
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Group member Andy suggested breaking up THE VENTURES SOUND into
three distinct categories- which makes alot of sense. These
are 'sticky
topics' & discussion here will be related to gear involved as
well as THE
SOUND & STYLE of each musician.
First up, Mr. Bob Bogle who's style & sound was 'pardon the pun'
INSTRUMENTAL
in budding young guitarists early years towards maturation on
the instrument.
Later he used his lead playing abilities to attack mastering the
bass- creating a
sound other players truly envied!
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The Ventures in Manila
By: abstamaria Date: June 30, 2012, 1:54 am
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Instrumental music – the Shadows and the Ventures – fell out of
the charts in Manila in early 1964, displaced by the Beatles,
Peter, Paul and Mary, and so on. That cut-off coincides with the
shift by the Shadows to Burns guitars and the Ventures to
Mossrites. It’s quite unusual that both bands would make the
shift at almost the same time, but the result of all this is
that Burn-era, Mossrite-era, and succeeding-years Shadows and
Ventures music are virtually unknown here. Except perhaps for
those in the “In Space” album, Mossrite era and later Ventures
pieces ring no bells here, even among those who were teenagers
in the early 1960s.
However, the early Ventures pieces were well known here. They
spawned a thousand guitar bands, and every school, even girls’
schools, all had several. In 1962, the Ventures, composed only
of Bob Bogle and Don Wilson, came to Manila to play at packed
concerts and also for the US servicemen in the US bases that we
had then in the Philippines.
Here is a photo, taken in the summer of 1962, that shows Bob
Bogle, Don Wilson, and Bobby Vee, together with Ramon Jacinto
("RJ") and his band the Riots. Ramon and the Riots are mentioned
prominently in the book "Walk Don't Run," and that photo appears
there as well. Bob and Don spent ten or so days in Manila that
year, so the Riots had a lot of time to spend with them, playing
basketball among other things (they played very aggressive
basketball, the Riots' rhythm guitarist Jimmy Colayco told me).
Jimmy is the leftmost fellow in the photo.
I have started with this historical note, because Bogle's "Walk
Don't Run" is the most recognized instrumental piece here and
has remained so over so many generations. When I first picked
up a guitar just over ten years ago, it was only "Walk Don't
Run" that I wanted to play.
Andy
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Bob Bogle in Manila
By: abstamaria Date: June 30, 2012, 2:28 am
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Here is Bob, again with the Riots here in Manila. This must
have been at Ramon’s house. Jimmy is playing rhythm here, 2nd
from the right.
I mention Jimmy here in this thread because he has been a great
resource to me on how Bob and Don played then, what gear they
used, and so on. He was able to watch them play at very close
quarters and speak at length with them. Don showed him how he
played, how he set tone controls, and so forth.
Jimmy stopped playing when the band graduated from college (the
Riots studied at the same school), so, in contrast to many
musicians from the 60s who kept playing, has retained good
memories of details from the early years. I think that is
because those memories have not been overlayed by decades of
further musical experience.
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Jimmy
By: abstamaria Date: June 30, 2012, 2:39 am
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I am not sure when that last photo was taken. The Riots had
already switched to white Jaguars. Can anyone tell what guitar
Bob was using?
Here is Jimmy playing Ventures at my home earlier this year.
some 50 years after the earlier photos were taken.
I'll leave this historical topic now and will post on what gear
I think would be appropriate for the pieces from Bob's
Jazzmaster years. I am not an expert by any means, and hope to
be corrected and learn from this forum.
Andy
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Re: The BOB BOGLE Jazmaster Years
By: wstagner Date: June 30, 2012, 5:23 pm
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Grate stuff, Andy.
Look like Bob's playin a Mozrite...was he? It's tuff to tell
from the side.
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Re: The BOB BOGLE Jazmaster Years---vibrato
By: chuckm Date: July 11, 2012, 7:14 am
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I've always loved the way Bob used the vibrato (tremolo, whammy
bar...whatever) and feel I've never been able to get it
right...like Bob. I usually play a strat. Anyone have
similar experience or am I the only remedial one here :-). Any
advice?
Thanks
chuck
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Re: The BOB BOGLE Jazmaster Years
By: wstagner Date: July 11, 2012, 7:55 am
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Grab the bar, hang onto it, and wiggle it until the song is
over. ;)
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Bob Bogle in Manila
By: abstamaria Date: July 11, 2012, 11:13 pm
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I was just talking with Jimmie, who appears in the pictures
above. He says that photo was taken in the summer of 1962.
Ramon Jacinto was using his white Jaguar, but Jimmie was using a
white Jazzmaster, not a Jaguar as I assumed. Before then, they
were using a Jazzmaster and Stratocaster respectively, both
sunburst, as were Bob and Don.
Jimmie says that was a Mossrite in Bob's hands, an early model.
Bob didn't take that guitar home with him but left it with Ramon
as a gift.
Andy
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The trem bar
By: abstamaria Date: July 11, 2012, 11:24 pm
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Hello, Chuck,
I'm trying to learn how to play Bob's style as well. The trem
bar is an essential ingredient of his sound, and he uses it very
well. I don't know how advanced a guitarist you are, but what I
do is listen to the original records very carefully to find out
when and how much he dips the tremolo bar. He is very
expressive with it.
Of course, Bob used a Jazzmaster, which actually doesn't dip as
much as a Stratocaster, but the Strat you use should be close.
The sound and sustain will be different. Watching the early
videos, Bob seems to let go for the bar and just reach for it
when he needs it. I tend to hold the trem bar all the while.
What is also quite instructive is watching Hank Marvin play in
his earlly years and learning those pieces. Marvin tends to use
the trem bar more often now, but early on he was like Bob Bogle
too and used it only at specific times.
I suppose the old adage of practice, practice is appropriate
here. That is what I am trying to do, but I am basically
handicapped by a lack of talent!
Andy
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