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       #Post#: 14113--------------------------------------------------
       Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: Sudeep Date: April 7, 2019, 7:49 am
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       I got a cold(BTW, how do you use: "I got a cold" or "I caught a
       cold"? ) and when I let my mom know about it, she told me to
       take some medication. But I don't like to go for medicine at
       once especially if it is a cold or fever. I become sad when I
       look at my grandpa who lives on medicine, I mean  he is quite
       addicted to medicines. Whatever happens, he opens up his
       medicine box (in which you can find different types of medicines
       some of which is difficult to find even in a pharmacy store!)
       and he don't even get confused recognizing what to take!
       Anyway, when I asked : "Who do you prefer to take care of your
       health first?", I meant, is it the drug you look for or you give
       some time to your immune system or the defense system;)? I think
       these drugs destroy the proper functioning of our immune system
       and then we more often rely on those drugs which in return,
       weaken our defense system. Okay, so I want to know how you do
       it? Do you give yourself a bit more time when you get cold or
       fever or you, at once, consult a doctor and start taking
       medicines?
       And one more thing, could you please tell me about the health
       care industry of your countries like do most people have the
       health insurance(Is it mandatory?) , the price of medicines(if
       they are generic and if not, then, is it affordable?) and other
       related info that you think interesting to know.
       #Post#: 14116--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: Aliph Date: April 7, 2019, 10:21 am
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       Sunshine, where I live we use to say „ a cold goes away after a
       week WITH or WITHOUT medicine“.
       I thought that where you live there is Ayurveda and that before
       you take any medicine you try to balance your different energies
       (Dosha) changing the way you eat.
       But maybe it’s western mythology.
       We believe in alternative medicine like Ayurveda and
       acupuncture. On this subject, I went once to a Chinese doctor to
       ask for acupuncture for some joint pain. He wanted to convince
       me to get an expensive (orthopedic) quite invasive operation! I
       declined and had a physical treatment instead (massage,
       exercise) with a physiotherapist and avoided medicine and
       operations.
       #Post#: 14121--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: Alharacas Date: April 7, 2019, 11:39 am
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       Yes, health insurance is mandatory in Germany (but you already
       knew that, didn't you?). It'll pay for most treatments and
       drugs, including the most basic dentistry and the cheapest,
       ugliest glasses. Doctors are supposed to evaluate whether a
       generic drug will do for a patient, or whether they need the
       more expensive kind. That said, drugs are incredibly expensive
       in Germany (precisely because they won't be paid for by the
       patients themselves, I suspect). A month's supply of pills will
       cost my mother several hundred Euros in Germany, while it's
       about a third of that in Spain (or even less) - and they're
       mostly they exact same drugs.
       Fortunately, I'm quite healthy, because my mother is a great
       believer in pills, and if I so much as mention some little
       ailment, she'll offer me something which would knock out a
       horse. :)
       #Post#: 14124--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: Nikola Date: April 7, 2019, 12:11 pm
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       There is a term "regression to the mean" (or regression toward
       the mean) which means that anything extreme is likely to go back
       to normal or even out over time. This applies to many health
       problems. A regular cold will sort itself out after a while but
       if you take a pill at the critical point when things are about
       to get better naturally, it will feel as though the pill made it
       happen. It's quite dangerous, especially when you add placebo
       effect. People end up believing in pills that themselves don't
       do anything, or overusing antibiotics where they're not
       necessary. Getting a prescription for your medication (if you
       don't have a relative with an endless supply of drugs) means
       going out and sitting in the waiting room, exposed to more germs
       when your body's already weak, or giving your germs to others. I
       try to avoid this at any cost, unless I feel really unwell for a
       really long time.
       And just like in Germany, health insurance is mandatory in the
       Czech Republic. I am not sure how expensive medication is here
       compared to other countries but a lot of it is covered by the
       health insurance. We went through a phase of having to pay for
       each prescription but it was more trouble than it was worth so
       they changed it. Regression to the mean, I suppose.
       #Post#: 14125--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: SHL Date: April 7, 2019, 1:26 pm
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       [quote author=Nikola link=topic=954.msg14124#msg14124
       date=1554657070]
       There is a term "regression to the mean" (or regression toward
       the mean) which means that anything extreme is likely to go back
       to normal or even out over time. This applies to many health
       problems. A regular cold will sort itself out after a while but
       if you take a pill at the critical point when things are about
       to get better naturally, it will feel as though the pill made it
       happen. It's quite dangerous, especially when you add placebo
       effect. People end up believing in pills that themselves don't
       do anything, or overusing antibiotics where they're not
       necessary. Getting a prescription for your medication (if you
       don't have a relative with an endless supply of drugs) means
       going out and sitting in the waiting room, exposed to more germs
       when your body's already weak, or giving your germs to others. I
       try to avoid this at any cost, unless I feel really unwell for a
       really long time.
       And just like in Germany, health insurance is mandatory in the
       Czech Republic. I am not sure how expensive medication is here
       compared to other countries but a lot of it is covered by the
       health insurance. We went through a phase of having to pay for
       each prescription but it was more trouble than it was worth so
       they changed it. Regression to the mean, I suppose.
       [/quote]
       I`m not really sure what you mean by the phrase „regression to
       the mean.“ The body does have an ability to heal itself, which
       is what the immune system is all about, and some conditions will
       get better or resolve entirely on their own without treatment.
       Some will not.
       The placebo effect is estimated to run around 30%, which means
       if a person had a headache and I gave the person a sugar pill,
       and told them it would cure their headache, in around 30% of
       cases  he or she would report that the pill cured their
       headache. This has been known for decades. So, when
       pharmaceutical companies test drugs for efficacy they employ
       what are called „double blind“ studies on the drug. Say you take
       1000 people with an ailment a drug is suppose to treat. Half the
       people in the study (500) are given a fake pill and the other
       500 are given the real pill. But the pills look identical and
       none of the study subjects is told who is getting the real pill
       from the fake pill. AND, most importantly, the people
       administering the pills aren‘t told which are the fake pills
       from the real ones. That’s why it‘s called a „ double blind“
       study. The person talking the pill doesn‘t know it‘s real and
       the person giving it to them doesn‘t know it‘s real. This is to
       control for non-verbal cues that the person giving the placebo
       might unknowingly give off. This is the only way to control and
       eliminate the placebo effect (the placebo effect works in
       homeopathic and herbal medicines because of the placebo effect.
       In homeopathic „medicine“ it‘s 100% placebo effect. Less so in
       herbal medicines (they can have positive effects but I don‘t
       know if they have been studied).
       Later when the study ends, they check the health of the persons
       who took the pills. If those in the category of having taken the
       real pills get a greater positive effect than those having taken
       the fake pills, the medication is considered to be effective.
       That‘s how medication is tested professionally.
       The common cold has no cure and it is true that you will recover
       from it, with a healthy immune system in any event. Zinc
       lozenges have been subject to double blind studies and, if taken
       at the outset of colds, will shorten the duration of the common
       cold, not cure it as such. I‘m not sure if they are available in
       the EU or if the are over-the-counter, as they are in the US,
       but they do help. I don‘t take them myself because I seldom get
       colds and don’t like the zinc taste of those lozenges.
       #Post#: 14127--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: Nikola Date: April 7, 2019, 3:02 pm
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       [quote author=SHL link=topic=954.msg14125#msg14125
       date=1554661615]
       I`m not really sure what you mean by the phrase „regression to
       the mean.“[/quote]
       It's a term used in statistics. It refers to the phenomenon that
       occurs when you measure something repeatedly over a period of
       time and the results you get are extreme on the first
       measurement but they are much closer to the average on the
       second measurement. It's another way of saying that most unusual
       things go back to normal after a while (unless, of course, the
       unusual becomes the new normal).
       Some examples from Wikipedia:
       If your favorite sports team won the championship last year,
       what does that mean for their chances for winning next season?
       To the extent this result is due to skill (the team is in good
       condition, with a top coach, etc.), their win signals that it is
       more likely they will win again next year. But the greater the
       extent this is due to luck (other teams embroiled in a drug
       scandal, favorable draw, draft picks turned out to be
       productive, etc.), the less likely it is they will win again
       next year.[9]
       If one medical trial suggests that a particular drug or
       treatment is outperforming all other treatments for a condition,
       then in a second trial it is more likely that the outperforming
       drug or treatment will perform closer to the mean.
       If a business organisation has a highly profitable quarter,
       despite the underlying reasons for its performance being
       unchanged, it is likely to do less well the next quarter.
       The effect of regression to the mean on decision making in
       healthcare has been explored and described and it needs to be
       taken into consideration when testing new drugs, just like the
       method known as double-blind experiment, which you mention.
       #Post#: 14131--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: Sudeep Date: April 8, 2019, 12:47 am
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       It was really interesting and informative reading all your
       comments. Thanks a lot! :)
       So, I think in most of the European countries, the health
       insurance is mandatory and if someone doesn't have one, it would
       be difficult to afford the medication, right? Or is there any
       scheme from the government to cover the insurance of those
       people whose monthly earning is below the average monthly
       earning of the country?
       Talking about India, well as you know we are 1.3 B people over
       here ;D So, it's not possible to ask people to go for a health
       insurance policy. But India is known for its generic drug
       industry. And that's the reason, one can afford medication quite
       easily. Government has some scheme through which one can get
       medicines even cheaper at some Government Hospital outlets than
       the pharma store.
       #Post#: 14136--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: Alharacas Date: April 8, 2019, 3:01 am
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       Sunshine, in Germany, "mandatory" means there is no way of
       getting out of this. Suppose you're a beggar living under a
       bridge, once you've been brought to a hospital, some social
       worker will take care of the paperwork, with the result that
       since you haven't got any money, you're entitled to state
       benefits and to the health insurance which automatically comes
       with them. :)
       #Post#: 14139--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: Sudeep Date: April 8, 2019, 4:58 am
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       [quote author=Alharacas link=topic=954.msg14136#msg14136
       date=1554710464]
       Sunshine, in Germany, "mandatory" means there is no way of
       getting out of this. Suppose you're a beggar living under a
       bridge, once you've been brought to a hospital, some social
       worker will take care of the paperwork, with the result that
       since you haven't got any money, you're entitled to state
       benefits and to the health insurance which automatically comes
       with them. :)
       [/quote]
       Aha, thanks so much Susanne, that's what I wanted to know. So,
       it's those NGOs who often facilitate the needs of those who
       can't afford. That's great :)
       #Post#: 14145--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Who do you prefer to take care of your health first?
       By: Nikola Date: April 8, 2019, 6:03 am
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       That's right, Sunshine, you have to be insured because it's
       illegal not to be insured (registered is probably a better word)
       but it doesn't mean everyone has to pay. Not many people
       actually pay out of their own pocket. People at retirement age,
       children, students and people registered unemployed have it paid
       for them (by the government, though, out of people's taxes, NGOs
       have nothing to do with it), people employed full time have it
       paid by their employer so only some people have to pay every
       month, like myself.
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