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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: Aliph Date: April 11, 2019, 5:01 am
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[quote author=NealC link=topic=953.msg14208#msg14208
date=1554904501]
So now that I have answered your question my question is, why
did you want to exclude people born before 1975 from relating
their experience of duolingo? It seems that app would have
similar results among all age groups.
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The year 1975 was chosen randomly. I guess that six contributors
on this board are born before and I don’t think that they are
the target public of this kind of App.
I am not sure if there are real millenials here. I was hoping
that Pasha answers and maybe Grzybek.
I read somewhere that Duolinguo is mostly popular among college
students and high school students. Anyway, my story with
Duolinguo will soon end. I practiced the alphabet and that’s
what I was looking for. I will not study modern Greek further. I
asked since I am curious and because I found the layout of
Duolinguo fun and appealing. And I will tell you no secret, I am
born before 1975 ::)
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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: NealC Date: April 11, 2019, 7:46 am
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I can see the value of learning the Alphabet,.
I understand the Greeks not wanting to use the Latin Alphabet as
a matter of pride but I have never understood Cyrillic. Correct
if I am wrong -- wasn't Cyrillic created by a Latin speaking
priest? I dont think there are many sounds in Russian so
different that they needed special letters. The creation of a
new Alphabet when Latin letters would have served -- it seems
rather bizzare.
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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: SHL Date: April 12, 2019, 9:16 pm
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I‘ll have to look at this Duolingo App thing. I heard of it, but
never really paid any attention to it. There are so many of
these sorts of Apps out there it’s hard to keep track of them.
Is this a „teach yourself a foreign language“ App? I assume it
is.
I just don‘t think most people really fathom the amount of work
and time it takes to learn a foreign language, but of course it
all depends on your goals. I suppose some people just want to
learn a little. But Apps like Duolingo, I assume, promise a lot
more than they can deliver.
In any event, I don‘t know who here was born before 1975, with
the exception of Neal (he definitely was by a long shot), Jerry,
and Susan. Sofia admitted it, so we know she‘s in the crowd.
It‘s hard to imagine, but that’s 44 years already. My goodness.
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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: Aliph Date: June 28, 2019, 1:06 am
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Duolinguo launched a Beta version for learning Arabic starting
from English. They insist on writing and reading right away. The
audio isn’t bad. Less logical than the App for Modern Greek that
I had tried this spring.
A bit boring since I didn’t figure out how to skip the total
beginner level.
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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: Irena Date: June 28, 2019, 1:18 am
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[quote author=NealC link=topic=953.msg14270#msg14270
date=1554986814]
I can see the value of learning the Alphabet,.
I understand the Greeks not wanting to use the Latin Alphabet as
a matter of pride but I have never understood Cyrillic. Correct
if I am wrong -- wasn't Cyrillic created by a Latin speaking
priest? I dont think there are many sounds in Russian so
different that they needed special letters. The creation of a
new Alphabet when Latin letters would have served -- it seems
rather bizzare.
[/quote]
Cyrillic was made specifically with Slavic phonetics in mind.
Latin letters work just fine as long as you add a bunch of
diacritics (as in Czech, for example). But I don't think it
quite occurred to people to add diacritics back in the 10th
century (which is when Cyrillic was made).
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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: Aliph Date: June 28, 2019, 1:29 am
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I find diacritics awfully hard to read. But no diacritics at all
must be even worse.
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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: Irena Date: June 28, 2019, 1:49 am
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=953.msg14345#msg14345
date=1555121775]
I just don‘t think most people really fathom the amount of work
and time it takes to learn a foreign language, but of course it
all depends on your goals. I suppose some people just want to
learn a little. But Apps like Duolingo, I assume, promise a lot
more than they can deliver.
[/quote]
Aye. I keep getting told that I suck at languages. ::) Oh,
sure, nobody ever puts it that way. But people just don't seem
to believe me when I tell them how much work it is. Namely:
hundreds of hours to get any good at it, thousands to get really
good at it, and god knows how long to approach native-level
fluency. Well, most people seem to think it can be done a lot
faster, the implication being that I have a particularly low
aptitude for languages. Back in the day, I took it to heart a
bit, but then I thought about it, and I realized that most of
these people were simply talking out of their, ahem,
you-know-what. That is to say, they'd never learned a foreign
language to any reasonable level, or at most, they managed to
learn English, which they started learning as young children and
were exposed to for hours day in, day out, for years on end,
through entertainment. As for me, I speak from personal
experience.
Of course, there are people who are incredibly talented and can
learn languages to quite a high level with just a small fraction
of the effort that it took me. But how many such people do you
know? Sure, there's probably a non-negligible number of people
who can learn about twice as fast as I can, but you know what,
one half of "hundreds of hours" is still "hundreds of hours,"
and one half of "thousands of hours" is still "thousands of
hours." Just not as many hundreds/thousands. ;) If you want to
learn ten times as fast (one tenth of "hundreds" is "tens," and
one tenth of "thousands" is "hundreds"), it helps to have
Richard Simcott's brain. :D
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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: Alharacas Date: June 28, 2019, 2:03 am
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[quote author=Sofia link=topic=953.msg17224#msg17224
date=1561703366]
I find diacritics awfully hard to read. But no diacritics at all
must be even worse.
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Said the woman who was learning Arabic. :D
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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: Aliph Date: June 28, 2019, 4:14 am
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=953.msg17227#msg17227
date=1561705417]
[quote author=Sofia link=topic=953.msg17224#msg17224
date=1561703366]
I find diacritics awfully hard to read. But no diacritics at all
must be even worse.
[/quote]
Said the woman who was learning Arabic. :D
[/quote]
The woman who STILL is learning Arabic.
I was thinking of all those languages that changed their writing
and adopted Latin script putting a lot of diacritics like
Turkish or Maltese.
I prefer so-called transparent language writing systems adapted
to the phonology of the language, even if they imply learning
another script.
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Re: DUOLINGO did anybody use this App?
By: Alharacas Date: June 28, 2019, 6:50 am
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[quote author=Sofia link=topic=953.msg17231#msg17231
date=1561713285]
The woman who STILL is learning Arabic.
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Yes, Sofia, I know you are. :)
I just - for once - wrote the sentence according to the rules I
was taught (and taught to teach) about reported speech, i.e. if
a verb is in the present tense in direct speech (Sofia: "I am
learning Arabic"), it needs to be in the past tense in
reported/indirect speech (Sofia said she was learning Arabic) -
regardless of whether or not this is in accordance with what's
actually happening.
And what I meant was that I find it so much easier to read
Persian words when optional diacritics (for short vowels) have
been added for the learner's sake.
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