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       #Post#: 14017--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hello Kitty, Bad Kitty, Bye Bye Kitty
       By: Alharacas Date: April 2, 2019, 2:27 pm
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       Come to think of it, maybe it's withdrawal syndrome? The church
       not having burnt anyone for a while now?
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       Re: Hello Kitty, Bad Kitty, Bye Bye Kitty
       By: Irena Date: April 2, 2019, 2:50 pm
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       [quote author=Alharacas link=topic=944.msg14017#msg14017
       date=1554233268]
       Come to think of it, maybe it's withdrawal syndrome? The church
       not having burnt anyone for a while now?
       [/quote]
       Ah! So it's pyromania! Good call, Alharacas!
       Reminds me: 20-something years ago, a boy-pyromaniac burned down
       my uncle's car. True story. The kid was ten or so. Anyway, I
       guess these fellas in black outfits would understand.
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       Re: Hello Kitty, Bad Kitty, Bye Bye Kitty
       By: Nikola Date: April 2, 2019, 3:08 pm
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       "Let's burn some shit."
       "You don't even know how to start a fire."
       "I do. Father Stanislaw taught me when we went camping."
       "No way."
       "Wanna bet?"
       "We don't even have anything to burn."
       "I happen to have the key to Sister Agnieszka's lost and found
       chamber."
       "What's in there?"
       "Just books, umbrellas, all sorts of crap. No one will miss
       them."
       "We should make a prank out of it and post something on
       Facebook."
       "You're a genius."
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       Re: Hello Kitty, Bad Kitty, Bye Bye Kitty
       By: SHL Date: April 2, 2019, 7:55 pm
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       I don‘t know of any bad kitties you‘re talking about, but these
       are the only bad kitties, I know of. Icelandic Viking kitties
       who have to grow their fur long for the cold and wear helmuts:
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       height=239]
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       Re: Hello Kitty, Bad Kitty, Bye Bye Kitty
       By: MartinSR Date: April 15, 2019, 8:29 am
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       As a Polish catholic I can only say: Thanks God not all of them
       (priests) and us (members) do such things. I've done a quick
       research to find out what did bishops and other opinion forming
       priest say about this... 'event'. I was happy to see that all
       the opinions I found were strongly against burning books and
       especially against burning signs of other religions which we are
       supposed to respect. Some of the priests tried to defend those
       'burners' a little bit calling this situation 'unfortunate' and
       saying that there are things or books which sometimes attract us
       to ideas that can be potentially harmful to our spiritual
       stability... and decision to choose this or other things
       belonged to the people who brought them to the church. But most
       of the priests called this incident harmful for the church and
       the way people see it.
       Of course I can see and hear many extreme opinions in the church
       nowadays. I happened to view several interesting videos (on the
       Youtube) done by priests, monks and ordinary people, where many
       aspects of spritual and ordinary life had been explained as the
       people of the church see them. These opinions excluded each
       other in many cases and the comments on them I could read on
       Youtube were often full of fanaticism, accusing the others of
       blasphemy and heresy. I was wandering did they forget that a
       Christian should restrain from judging the others and approach
       with LOVE to other people... Sad...
       These things are the reaction of even more people leaving the
       Churches (not only Catholics) and losing their faith. The
       priests and members of religious groups can react to this in
       many ways. Most common thing is doing nothing and waiting what
       happens. I can see a lot of young people staying in front of the
       church while they are supposed to be inside - they came to get
       the signature in their book, because it's needed to have a
       confirmation sacrament. But they are outside, chatting with
       friends. Why? Inside of the church we may find a praying priests
       and elderly women reading religious texts with trembling voices.
       Is it attractive to young people?
       Some of the priests are trying to do their best. They are open
       to young people. Explain them things they will be able to make
       use of in their future life, families. Don't threaten them with
       the hell, rather explain the possible life threats of things
       called 'sins' by the Bible. But of course there is another group
       of priests and normal people who see the possible cure for the
       church in returning to old customs, old liturgy, censorship,
       closing the communities (making them hermetic). It's not typical
       for Poland, though maybe it's clearly seen here because of our
       traditional attachment to the Catholic Church. But you can see
       it in general - just take a look what do people say about the
       current pope Francis - accuse him of blasphemy and heresy, being
       against all possible reforms he has in mind.
       And the book burning thing... In the video material connected to
       the article cited there was an information that Harry Potter
       books has been burnt in public in the United States at least six
       times so far...I couldn't see all the video material because
       part of it  is blocked for the viewers in my country (by whom
       and why?). Some people believe in everything they read and see.
       I hope that books classified as fiction are treated as an
       entertainment for most (at least adult) people. In case of
       children their parents should decide and make sure 'But you know
       it's only fiction? Don't you?'. But maybe these priests-burners
       had different experience. Maybe they met people who really
       believe in wizards among us or in vampires after reading the
       book or watching the movie?. This is an overprotective way of
       thinking, often seen tn the Church in past ages and to some
       extent now (like in the anti-contraception theories). Some
       priests say it's safer not to read or watch something than to
       have doubts. A few months ago there was a movie in cinemas in
       Poland. It was about a group of priests having women, abusing
       children, drinking too much alcohol, demanding money from their
       parishioners, and being generally nonpunishable. Some priests
       and organizations within the CC protested against even showing
       it, some even said it's a sin to see this movie (!). I have seen
       a video with a priest who said that everyone should decide, but
       people who are unsure shouldn't see it because seeing the
       pathology may induce doubts in them and they may loose their
       faith. In another video a monk said that he went to see the
       movie with a few of his brothers from the monastery, and he
       thinks that every priest should see the movie to take a look at
       their life and see if they not going that direction (of the
       priests portrayed in the movie). So there are different
       approaches as you see.
       And this poor 'Hello Kitty'... I was surprised... but I manged
       to find some gossips (widespread by whom?) about possible
       'devilish' origins of this trademark. It's not worth mentioning
       here so I will not. Probably someone has created the fake-story
       to increase the interest in product selling... maybe those
       umbrella-people ;-)
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