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#Post#: 13922--------------------------------------------------
The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for men i
f they're squeamish)
By: Alharacas Date: March 30, 2019, 5:39 pm
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Great and very funny article in my German weekly (paper
version), unfortunately, it's not free online:
HTML https://www.zeit.de/2019/12/menstruation-hormonelle-verhuetungsmittel-aussetzen-monatsblutung
The gist of it is here, however:
HTML https://www.nature.com/news/2006/061211/full/061211-8.html
tl;dr
If you're on the pill, there's no need whatsoever to stop taking
it for a week every three weeks: menstruation is your body's
garbage disposal. Pill -> no ovulation -> no garbage.
Apparently, it really is that simple. So, why on earth did I
feel obliged to menstruate while I was on the pill? Seems one of
the guys who developed the pill in the first place was a fervent
Catholic who thought it would make the Pope happy to know women
were still bleeding as per God's order (that last bit of info's
only in the German article). So, they told doctors that's how
the pill was to be taken, and that's what the doctors in turn
told their patients.
Please tell me you hadn't known about this, either - I felt so,
so stupid when I read the German article. Now I see the English
article is about 10 years old and feel even stupider.
#Post#: 13923--------------------------------------------------
Re: The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for m
en if they're squeamish)
By: SHL Date: March 30, 2019, 5:50 pm
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Alharacas,
I started reading that article in Die Zeit, but it cuts off and
says you can read it for free, but it`s a 4-week test free
period. Sounds like you have to register for it and then they
start auto-billing you unless you cancel. Oh, well.
#Post#: 13925--------------------------------------------------
Re: The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for m
en if they're squeamish)
By: Irena Date: March 30, 2019, 6:12 pm
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I'd heard about this before. Don't remember when. Anyway, I've
never been on the pill, and so I haven't paid much attention.
#Post#: 13928--------------------------------------------------
Re: The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for m
en if they're squeamish)
By: Nikola Date: March 30, 2019, 6:51 pm
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I'd heard about it but in countries where birth control isn't
free, this stuff can be quite expensive. You'd have to buy extra
pills every month because a normal package only contains 21. So
either you bleed physically or financially.
#Post#: 13930--------------------------------------------------
Re: The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for m
en if they're squeamish)
By: NealC Date: March 30, 2019, 8:53 pm
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I thought the pill brought some side effects like increased
chance of stroke and cancer, and the practice of taking it to
completely avoid menstruation made the chances even worse. Am I
ill-informed?
Seems like such a trade with Mother Nature would be too easy to
come free.
#Post#: 13931--------------------------------------------------
Re: The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for m
en if they're squeamish)
By: Truman Overby Date: March 30, 2019, 9:02 pm
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[quote author=NealC link=topic=940.msg13930#msg13930
date=1553997207]
I thought the pill brought some side effects like increased
chance of stroke and cancer, and the practice of taking it to
completely avoid menstruation made the chances even worse. Am I
ill-informed?
Seems like such a trade with Mother Nature would be too easy to
come free.
[/quote]
And deep vein thrombosis.
#Post#: 13933--------------------------------------------------
Re: The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for m
en if they're squeamish)
By: Nikola Date: March 31, 2019, 4:14 am
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@Neal
I think you're right about the related health risks in general,
at least that's what they say, but the chances don't seem to
increase with skipping menstruation, which isn't real
menstruation anyway. Once you're on the pill, there's no such
thing as a real period. In terms of the related risks, one has
to be aware of how biased the information may be because the
pharmaceutical companies want you to take it and certain groups
don't. It is said to increase the risk of some types of cancer
while actually significantly decreasing the risk of others. The
heart- and blood vessel-related risk seems to vary greatly
depending on what pill you're taking and whether there are any
other risk factors (pre-existing medical condition, smoking
etc.). It's probably not great for the environment but I have a
feeling this is not the type of argument you or Jerry would want
to use :)
#Post#: 13934--------------------------------------------------
Re: The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for m
en if they're squeamish)
By: NealC Date: March 31, 2019, 4:50 am
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I don't really have an overarching religious argument against
birth control, mostly because when it was a real concern in my
life I wasn't listening to religious arguments. It would seem
hypocritical to get on a high horse to other people about it
now. I am sympathetic to those who don't use it for various
(usually religious) reasons.
Because of the health risks when I was first married I left the
decision to use or not use the pill up to my wife. I didn't
feel like I had the right to insist on it. At the time -1989 -
the doctor told her she could "double up" the month of our
wedding so she didn't have to worry having her period on her
wedding day or during the honeymoon. So the idea was there even
then.
Speaking of birth control when I got married my mother chimed in
with her combination condom/rhythm method advice (which actually
worked pretty well) but let me know I was born because the
drugstore wasn't open on Sunday, and my father told her God
wouldn't let her conceive on the Lord's Day.
Thanks mom.
#Post#: 13935--------------------------------------------------
Re: The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for m
en if they're squeamish)
By: Nikola Date: March 31, 2019, 5:25 am
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=940.msg13922#msg13922
date=1553985589]
So, why on earth did I feel obliged to menstruate while I was on
the pill?[/quote]
I think Alharacas touched an interesting topic here. It could be
because bleeding once a month creates the illusion that what's
happening inside your body is still "natural" and "right". Some
women, if they stopped having periods, would go "hallelujah" of
course, but some might think "crap, what have I done to my
body?" So psychology and marketing might have played some role
in this.
The belief that women are obliged or entitled to having a period
is not just a Catholic thing, though. I think it's strongly
embedded in the society because I could see its effects when I
was working with children who have special needs. I don't want
to go into too much detail but the "blessing" often turns into
an absolute nightmare for both the girl and her parents/carers,
there's pain and mood swings, both often resulting in self-harm,
confusion, mess... the mess... words cannot describe how
horribly wrong things can go. And the noble, high-minded people
who say it is the girls' right to go through all this are never
there to deal with the consequences.
#Post#: 13936--------------------------------------------------
Re: The lifting of the curse (women only, or at least: not for m
en if they're squeamish)
By: Irena Date: March 31, 2019, 5:43 am
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Yikes, Nikola. So what do they do with those girls? Nothing...?
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