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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: Irena Date: March 26, 2019, 2:32 pm
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=924.msg13702#msg13702
date=1553623394]
I`m glad you like the sentence, but to put it into clearer
English, I guess it means, „Hopefully readers will appreciate
that the stength and insight of those thoughts compensate for
the mental effort it took (I suppose me) to put them in words.“
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I'm surprised you understood it that way. He's not talking about
the effort it took (him or anyone else) to put these ideas into
words. He's talking about the effort it takes to understand
them. I thought that was quite clear.
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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: SHL Date: March 26, 2019, 3:16 pm
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Irena,
I told everyone that this sentence was so bizarre, I had no idea
what the author was even taking about. Nobody talks this way,
and anyone who writes like this is writing very poorly or,
alternatively, to a very specialized audience. It´s convoluted,
confusing, and lacking in clarity to the average native speaker.
If you have to guess at what he is saying, the writing style is
very week.
All I am saying is this dude makes no sense to me whatsoever.
This author Dudley (his writing is sure a dud in my opinion) is
writing for an audience of PhD philosophy students who are never
going to speak or even write like this. I learned one important
thing about language. The more you really know about a complex
subject, the simpler it is to explain complicated ideas to
others. This Dudley`s writing is so stilted, one has to wonder
if he even understands what he is talking about himself. As I
see it that´s the problem. I deal with this as part of my work.
I know my field of law quite well (after 20 years of doing it I
would hope so), so when people come to me with questions, I
simplify everything I say so everyone can understand it. And
they do. I wrote a premartial agreement for someone the other
day, 12 pages long, saying what the client wanted in it. He
asked, „how come I can understand this so easily?“ I said,
„Because I want it to be clear and unambiguous so if you ever
need it in the future, no one will ever have to guess what was
intended and the agreement will be valid in court.“ Then he
asked, „then how come when I bought my house I had 80 pages of
fine print?“ I said, „because a lawyer wrote it not expecting
you to read it and to protect the lender. That´s all. Did you
read it?“ He said, „No.“ I asked „Did you sign it?“ He said
„yes.“
So, I prefer clarity in writing. You don`t need to be vague and
ambiguous when you write or try to sound elevated in your speech
to communicate well. If you really understand a complicated
subject well, someone who knows the subject can explain it in
simple terms. Good doctors do this all the time. If you asked a
doctor about diabetes, would expect an answer like this: „let me
tell you about the Islets of Langerhans in the Pancreas...“ That
would be ridiculous. See the point?
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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: SHL Date: March 26, 2019, 4:00 pm
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Oh, and those english.stackexchange.com people just emailed me
this:
„I wanted to let you know that we've observed some rudeness in
your latest activity. We get it; anyone who's ever tried to
engage with others online has probably been tempted to lash out
at someone else. This is just a friendly reminder that we
require all participants to act in a professional and civil tone
when using these sites. If another user has wronged you in some
way, please do not respond in kind. Simply flag the content for
moderator attention and move on.“
All I was being was my normal self, and I bet they let that rude
Frenchman get away with his comments to me (which I couldn`t
respond to). I`m going to try to flag his remarks.
Can you imagine these people?
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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: Truman Overby Date: March 26, 2019, 4:08 pm
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=924.msg13713#msg13713
date=1553634057]
Oh, and those english.stackexchange.com people just emailed me
this:
„I wanted to let you know that we've observed some rudeness in
your latest activity. We get it; anyone who's ever tried to
engage with others online has probably been tempted to lash out
at someone else. This is just a friendly reminder that we
require all participants to act in a professional and civil tone
when using these sites. If another user has wronged you in some
way, please do not respond in kind. Simply flag the content for
moderator attention and move on.“
All I was being was my normal self, and I bet they let that rude
Frenchman get away with his comments to me (which I couldn`t
respond to). I`m going to try to flag his remarks.
Can you imagine these people?
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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: Irena Date: March 26, 2019, 4:18 pm
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Steve, all I can say is that I found that paragraph completely
straightforward to understand. And no, I don't have a PhD in
philosophy. Not even a BA.
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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: SHL Date: March 26, 2019, 4:40 pm
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Irena,
Well, if you have to read a paragraph 10 times over to glean
anything from what someone like Dudley with the dud-writing
style wrote, something is wrong. When I get off work, I`ll quote
some writing from a real intellectual mind, a genius, like
Bertrand Russell. Mathematician, philosopher, one of the
greatest minds of the 19th and 20th centuries and he sure
doesn`t write like this.
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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: Terecia Date: April 1, 2019, 8:32 pm
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=924.msg13641#msg13641
date=1553487140]
if you read englisch.stackexchange.com ´s guidelines they are
rather strict about some things. You know they have a stack
exchange for dozens of topics, for gamers, for science people,
just about everything. One of their rules on their language
sites is not to ask questions seeking translations which can be
found in online dictionaries, or grammar sources. Not to ask for
explanation of grammar rules (again if these can be located on
other sites) and if you violate these rules someone will just
vote to close the thread and then no one can post (they have
several somewhat odd rules on voting. If someone gets so many
flags on a questions then the thread closes.) There are so many
rules it`s unbelievable. You earn points for certain answers
(that someone thinks are good) and lose points for other
answers.
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Guten Morgen, Steven
I got the sense that people on English.stackexchange.com
rather strict and unfriendly. Now, I know why. I'm not a member
yet, I was considering to register. The only thing that makes me
hesitant to do it is the unwelcoming atmosphere, which is really
important for me as an English learner. I only viewed the site
several times as an English learning reference. What do you
think about WordReference Forums?
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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: Terecia Date: April 1, 2019, 8:45 pm
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=924.msg13641#msg13641
date=1553487140]
It might work out fine for you, so don`t let me discourage you.
I`ve seen some good posts and good answers. But, one of the
really strange things is if you ask 5 native speakers a question
about the language, you often get 5 different answers. That´s
not at all uncommon. So going from stackexchange to italki it
doesn`t surprise me to hear that.
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You didn't discourage me at all. As a matter of fact, I'm
glad that I have a chance to know from an English speaker's
point of view on these two English learning platform.
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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: Terecia Date: April 1, 2019, 8:50 pm
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=924.msg13641#msg13641
date=1553487140]
This board may be small, but it´s the friendliest and most fun
out there. That´s what I have found. People are wonderful here.
And the language questions are all welcome. And you will get
good answers from people. The posts are new and interesting
too.
We`re all very glad you are here, Terecia. And ask any grammar
questions you like. We are all as qualified as those
stackexchange or italki people to answer.
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Indeed, I'm in a good hand. I just wonder why there is no
Chinese speaker around. Thank you for the comprehensive
explanation about some sites. I'll make sure to bear it in mind.
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Re: Avoid englisch.stackexchange.com
By: Terecia Date: April 1, 2019, 8:54 pm
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=924.msg13644#msg13644
date=1553497581]
Terecia, stackexchange is a pretty good site for learners (and
teachers!) of both English and German. In fact, it's the best
site I've found so far.
Ich bin sicher, Steven wollte das Kind nicht mit dem Bade
ausschütten. Nicht wahr, Steven?
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Thank you, gnädige Frau (Do I write it correctly?). I like
the phrase of das Kind nicht mit dem Bade ausschütten, my first
German idiom lesson :)
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