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#Post#: 13175--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: SuKi Date: March 8, 2019, 5:30 am
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Yes, when I said the combination of words 'off of' doesn't exist
in BrE, I meant that it didn't exist as an alternative to just
'off'. Or 'lonely off', as Sunshine rather sweetly put it.
I should've made that clear before logging off, of course.
#Post#: 13176--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: Nikola Date: March 8, 2019, 6:02 am
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SuKi, we'll let you off, of course.
I agree that "lonely off" sounds rather cute.
#Post#: 13177--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: Truman Overby Date: March 8, 2019, 7:36 am
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[quote author=Irena link=topic=892.msg13173#msg13173
date=1552043543]
[quote author=Gef the Talking Mongoose
link=topic=892.msg13163#msg13163 date=1552011756]
This construction is not at all common in AmE. I can't recall
ever hearing it. If I did, it was from someone not very
educated.
I can't say that it's American English. It's simply incorrect.
Just as many things are said by many native speakers of all
languages.
[/quote]
What?! I see that construction all the time. And I heard it
non-stop when I lived in the States. I do my best not to use it,
but having heard it so many times...
Anyway, I just plugged "off of" (with quotes) into Google. I got
241,000,000 hits. That's about a quarter of a billion. So, I'd
say it's pretty common.
[/quote]
Get off of my back, will ya kid?
#Post#: 13178--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: Irena Date: March 8, 2019, 7:55 am
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[quote author=Gef the Talking Mongoose
link=topic=892.msg13177#msg13177 date=1552052165]
[quote author=Irena link=topic=892.msg13173#msg13173
date=1552043543]
[quote author=Gef the Talking Mongoose
link=topic=892.msg13163#msg13163 date=1552011756]
This construction is not at all common in AmE. I can't recall
ever hearing it. If I did, it was from someone not very
educated.
I can't say that it's American English. It's simply incorrect.
Just as many things are said by many native speakers of all
languages.
[/quote]
What?! I see that construction all the time. And I heard it
non-stop when I lived in the States. I do my best not to use it,
but having heard it so many times...
Anyway, I just plugged "off of" (with quotes) into Google. I got
241,000,000 hits. That's about a quarter of a billion. So, I'd
say it's pretty common.
[/quote]
Get off of my back, will ya kid?
[/quote]
Hey! Who y'callin' kid?!!
#Post#: 13179--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: Truman Overby Date: March 8, 2019, 8:02 am
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[quote author=Irena link=topic=892.msg13178#msg13178
date=1552053341]
[quote author=Gef the Talking Mongoose
link=topic=892.msg13177#msg13177 date=1552052165]
[quote author=Irena link=topic=892.msg13173#msg13173
date=1552043543]
[quote author=Gef the Talking Mongoose
link=topic=892.msg13163#msg13163 date=1552011756]
This construction is not at all common in AmE. I can't recall
ever hearing it. If I did, it was from someone not very
educated.
I can't say that it's American English. It's simply incorrect.
Just as many things are said by many native speakers of all
languages.
[/quote]
What?! I see that construction all the time. And I heard it
non-stop when I lived in the States. I do my best not to use it,
but having heard it so many times...
Anyway, I just plugged "off of" (with quotes) into Google. I got
241,000,000 hits. That's about a quarter of a billion. So, I'd
say it's pretty common.
[/quote]
Get off of my back, will ya kid?
[/quote]
Hey! Who y'callin' kid?!!
[/quote]
Kiddo. Is that better? :D
#Post#: 13180--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: Nikola Date: March 8, 2019, 8:50 am
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I think it's safe to say that Mongoose doesn't like it.
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#Post#: 13181--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: Susan Date: March 8, 2019, 10:42 am
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I have been thinking more about this and trying to remember when
I do actually use ¨off of.¨ In reality, I do not think I say
¨off of¨-- I think I say ¨offa.¨ Thinking about one of the
comments in the stack exchange link, I think that in some
respects, it is kind of like ¨wanna¨ except that it is an
emphasizer. It is standard in the speech of many Americans,
even educated people, especially for emphasis. But when it is
written, it is written as ¨off of¨ and is like an idiom because
it is so common. That´s why I thought of ¨off of my...¨ and
¨off of your...¨ because it is usually said as emphasis when you
tell someone to ¨get offa my... (foot, blanket, ass, etc) or to
¨get offa your... (butt, hiney, high horse....)¨ Or like the
song ¨Get off of my cloud¨ (is it not really pronounced like
¨Get offamy cloud?) I am thinking about a recent comment by
Phil about ¨wanna¨ where he gave the opinion that ¨wanna¨ is a
standard way to say things, including among educated people, but
in writing it should be ¨want to.¨ When written as ¨off of¨ it
does not even seem wrong to me. But I also have pretty casual
speech and am so far from a grammar nerd.
(Jerry-- I suspect it is so common in speech that you don´t even
notice it.-- Unless I am wrong and that it is only so common in
the Southern and the areas that border the South. Here in Kansas
it is so common that I do not recall it ever being discussed
before. I certainly don´t recall hearing an English teacher
complain about it.)
#Post#: 13191--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: Kseniia Date: March 9, 2019, 1:48 am
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I remember I tried to find a video on tea scams in Shanghai for
Alharacas and came across this:
HTML https://youtu.be/5ncOyYzOP3w?t=329
(5:29)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the guy (an American?) does
say "off of you". Does he sound not very educated because of
that, then?
#Post#: 13192--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: Susan Date: March 9, 2019, 2:54 am
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He does not sound American to me-- sounds more British or
European, but he sounds educated to me.
Kseniia-- is it easy to explain how you made that link start at
the spot you wanted us to hear? I do not think I have ever seen
someone do that before I and would like to be able to do it.
#Post#: 13193--------------------------------------------------
Re: Does off of sound a bit off to you?
By: Kseniia Date: March 9, 2019, 4:09 am
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Tsk, I never, never get accents right!
Susan, sure, no problem. If you're using a desktop version of
Youtube, just right-click on the video and choose "Copy video
URL at current time". Or, you can calculate it all by yourself,
and add
?t=n
to the link, where n shows the number of seconds from the
beginning of the video. So, for example, 5 minutes and 29
seconds = 329 seconds, hence you add
?t=329
The result is
httрs://youtu.be/5ncOyYzOP3w?t=329
(the blue part is the link to the video, and the red part shows
how many seconds from the beginning you want to skip)
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