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Sex education
By: Kseniia Date: March 1, 2019, 9:50 am
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The topic is probably too scandalous for itаlki, but I'm
genuinely interested. Do people receive some kind of sex
education at school in your country? If yes, what do you think
about it? Is it any good?
As for me, I think I knew quite a lot about eukaryotic sex but
there was no sex education at my school per se. I vaguely
remember a short lecture they gave us at university on the topic
of AIDS* ("ave abstinence" and all that), and basically that was
it. I'm pretty sure nothing has changed since then. I wouldn't
say that people think that children/teenagers/young adults
should be completely ignorant when it comes it sex; it just
seems to me that it is expected that you find all the
information by yourself.
So, how does it work in your country? Is it important for
children to have these classes, in your opinion? Do you think
those against sex education at school are
prudes/obscurantists/bigots/etc.?
*Yes, strangely enough, Russia has one of the fastest growing
HIV/AIDS epidemics in the world, unfortunately.
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Re: Sex education
By: SHL Date: March 1, 2019, 11:13 am
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Good question. The sex education I got in the 1970s was very
limited. As I recall the boys and girls were separated and a
male teacher just came out and drew some pictures on a
chalkboard and we boys just sat back and giggled about it. It
lasted one hour and that was it. The same probabaly occurred for
girls too, but we weren`t allowed in those classes. While
prepubescent children may wonder where babies come from, both
boys and girls learn the truth right away at adolescence. It´s
not a hard thing to figure out, it`s pretty obvious whatever
gender you are. So what always baffled me was why schools
thought they needed to teach adolescent boys what their bodies
were doing at adolescence and why. They know that already
because they are living it. Testosterone has a way of educating
young boys pretty fast and they don`t need some adult telling
them what´s going on. I can`t speak from a women’s perspective
but I always heard mothers needed to talk to their daughters to
explain why something annoying happens to them every month. A
boy, on the other hand, never needs to be reminded of anything
of the sort (and believe me it`s NO annoyance what they
experience. On the contrary, it´s quite a lot of fun:)).
They`re reminded of this little aspect of sexual developement
while dreaming and every morning when they wake up. Although
this might slow down a little with age, it never really ends.
And at adolescence it is SUPER charged, like a rocket.
As far as preventing sexually transmitted diseases, I don`t
think people need to be taught that in school. In an open
society you can`t avoid hearing this even as an adult or in
adolescence. And pregnancy prevention is widely talked about and
kids aren`t stupid. Foolish and risk-taking yeah, but not dumb.
And that`s not something that can be educated away.
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Re: Sex education
By: Truman Overby Date: March 1, 2019, 11:14 am
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[quote author=Kseniia link=topic=882.msg13014#msg13014
date=1551455418]
As for me, I think I knew quite a lot about eukaryotic sex but
there was no sex education at my school per se.
[/quote]
I feel real dumb when I read your posts, Ksenia. They invariably
contain words like 'eukaryotic.' I've never seen that word in my
life. I guess it'll come in handy if I find myself on Jeopardy!
or in the company of biologists. :D
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Re: Sex education
By: SHL Date: March 1, 2019, 11:22 am
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Yeah, I never saw eukaryotic in my life either. Never hear of
that word.
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Re: Sex education
By: Susan Date: March 1, 2019, 11:30 am
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In the U.S. education standards are different for every state,
and even within states the curriculum can vary quite a bit
between districts.
Because I had sex education in school in the late 70´s, and my
sons had it around 10 years ago, I went to search and see what I
could find out about today. Here is a link to policies state by
state-- enough for you to see they are quite different.
California, for example, appears to have some state legislation
about what will be taught. Whereas in Kansas, those decisions
have been left more to educators.
HTML http://answer.rutgers.edu/page/state_policy/
According to this
article
HTML https://www.ksnt.com/news/lgbt-inclusion-in-sex-education-for-kansas-public-schools/901273071<br
/> For Kansas schools, the curriculum says sex-ed needs to be
taught, however it doesn't specify what needs to be included.¨
However, in Kansas we have what are called ¨Benchmarks¨ that
teachers try to teach to. Sex education is addressed in the
health benchmark--- this is probably the closest thing to a
guideline--
HTML https://www.kshealthykids.org/HKS_Docs/Standards/Health_Standards.pdf<br
/> ¨Proficient Indicator
with some assistance, demonstrate knowledge of male and female
reproductive organ names and functions, development of male and
female reproductive organs, and risks and prevention of sexually
transmitted infections.
When I was in school, what was taught was some basic biology and
terms, some information about menstruation and wet dreams, and
information about sexually transmitted diseased. However, when
my sons went to school about 10 years ago they also had sex
education classes which required parental consent, that taught
quite a bit more. Most parents in the district did give consent
and trusted the school district to deal with issues of today.
I remember my 16 year old coming home one day and sharing some
information they learned that I (even as a therapist often
working with sexual issues) was not fully aware of. He told me
they had brought example, pictures, and described techniques of
oral sex in regard to the use of the female condom which was
designed to prevent the spread of disease in cunnilingus. He
described some of the topics discussed and my impression was
that this class was far more advanced than anything I had in
school.
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Re: Sex education
By: SHL Date: March 1, 2019, 11:32 am
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„So, how does it work in your country? Is it important for
children to have these classes, in your opinion? Do you think
those against sex education at school are
prudes/obscurantists/bigots/etc.?„
I don`t think those against it are any of those things. Most are
probably not. I just think this sort of thinking (that sex
education is important in schools) is just old-fashioned (like
they`ve bought into myths out of the 1970s and 80s) and that
sort of education is unnecessary and a waste of resources
anyway.
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Re: Sex education
By: SHL Date: March 1, 2019, 11:38 am
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Well, I never needed ex education in school and never really got
it and we all turned out fine. It´s absurd to think anyone needs
to be taught how to have oral sex. That´s laughably absurd.
Please.
And how to prevent pregnancies? Oh come on. Or sexually
transmitted diseases? Equally silly.
I say drop it from the curriculum in all schools, (not out of
prudishness) but because it´s a waste of time and money.
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Re: Sex education
By: SHL Date: March 1, 2019, 11:47 am
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And is AIDS all you want to prevent? They didn`t even know what
HIV was and that it caused AIDS until 1983, so what about before
then? With AIDS prevention, there`s a few things to teach about
it. It´s prevented by 1) abstinence (not an option for most
kids), 2) condoms, 3), having sex with uninflected partners, 4)
Truvada. High schoolers are probably in the lowest risk group
now as there has been knowledge of the virus in public for 35
years and how it`s transmitted. But a 5 minute google search
will provide this information. No need to waste school resources
on this.
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Re: Sex education
By: Alharacas Date: March 1, 2019, 12:46 pm
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I think we were supposed to receive some sort of sex education,
but our biology teacher chose the time-honoured way of opting
out by showing us a film about cell division. So, ditto for
eukaryotic sex, Kseniia, even if I did have to look up the word
just like everybody else.
To be honest, I was still rather confused about angles and
hydraulics until I actually had sex for the first time. ;)
These days, sex education is supposed to start in elementary
school (that is, if the outraged screams of the ultra right are
to be believed). Apparently, teachers, parents and politicians
spend quite a lot of their time discussing the politically
correct - gender neutral? - way of teaching children about the
various kinds of sex they'd better not have until they're old
enough to be responsible about it.
Which makes me suspect modern kids probably still end up
watching films about cell division.
And yes, I do think children should be taught about sex quite
early on - perhaps not so much about what actually happens
during sex (what's the internet for, after all?), but about the
fact that their body is their own, and that they have the right
to start raising hell as soon as anybody at all starts touching
them in a way they're uncomfortable with.
Steven, I really don't think this should be left to chance.
[quote author=Kseniia link=topic=882.msg13014#msg13014
date=1551455418]
*Yes, strangely enough, Russia has one of the fastest growing
HIV/AIDS epidemics in the world, unfortunately.
[/quote]
Why is that, Kseniia?
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Re: Sex education
By: Sudeep Date: March 1, 2019, 1:21 pm
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Had it been italki, we would have gotten comments saying it is
against italki policy to discuss on such subject or it is
inappropriate ;D
Anyways, the simple answer to your question is NO, there is no
sex education included as a subject in school or colleges! The
reason is we all know due to the taboo that we have been tagged
it with for soo long! We can't talk about sex because it is so
private. Well it is , but we can't stay ignorant!! It is
laughable and quite stupid of me when up to 6th class I had this
in my mind that a baby is born when two people get married. I
had no idea it was not because of marriage but because of
something else, but as they say ignorance is bliss...! Sex
education is absolutely necessary and people or government
should think of including them as a subject in school.
I remember one incident as you mentioned about AIDS. It was Dec
1 and in our school, they observed this day and asked me to
prepare to give a speech on the subject. After giving the
introduction about AIDS, I talked about how people get AIDS. And
I said like due to blood transfusions, due to sharing needles,
during pregnancy or delivery or through breast-feeding. and
lastly said overprotective sex:| And all looked at me as if I
said something very nasty! :-X
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