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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Kseniia
Date: February 7, 2019, 9:23 am
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> I found the thing about the "secret name". Apparently I was
mistaken, it's not an old tradition, but a modern twist to it
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> "I discovered that when a child is born in the colony they
receive the name of the saint from the day thy were born.
Usually they are very old names, like Virinia, Pelagieya, Andron
and Aftonom, but I think they are beautiful. I know that in
Russia religious people do differently: they register a (more
modern) name of the child on the birth certificate and at the
time of baptism they ask the priest to refer to the baby by
another name, which actually corresponds to the saint of the day
the child was born. This name is recorded only on the baptismal
certificate and it is as if it were the name of your guardian
angel."
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HTML https://br.rbth.com/blogs/2014/01/31/colonia_em_primavera_do_leste_mt_preserva_tradicoes_da_russia_antiga_23947
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@Erik, that's new information for me, thanks. But to be honest,
to me the part about religious people in today's Russia asking
the priest to give their child another name sounds like a huge
generalisation. Your baptismal name certainly can be the same as
your civil name as long as it is in the calendar of saints (and
it covers most of the Russian names of different origins
anyway). As far as I know, one adopts another Christian name if
they're
a) converting into Orthodoxy and are foreigners living in Russia
(Russian monarchs did that, for example, Catherine the Great,
born Princess Sophie of Anhalt-Zerbst);
b) going into priesthood.
I honestly don't know anyone who is not a priest/nun/monk and
has a baptismal name different from their "usual" name (and I
had never heard of baptism certificates either... though I know
there are parish registers, maybe that's what they mean). But of
course it's possible that people are just extremely good at
keeping their baptismal names in secret :)
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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Coligno
Date: February 8, 2019, 5:10 am
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@Erik, the term "Christian name" in English is just a synonym of
"given name"; it doesn't refer specifically to the middle name,
but includes it along with the first name as the names bestowed
on a person by their parents (as opposed to the surname, which
is inherited automatically). It sounds a bit dated nowadays.
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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Susan
Date: February 8, 2019, 11:51 am
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I do not think the ¨meaning of a name¨ is truly a meaning if no
one is familiar with the meaning. I think my name used to mean
something like ¨lilly¨ in Hebrew. But it never had that meaning
in my family. I was named after a cute, sweet neighbor girl
from my father´s childhood. He and my mother both liked her and
had positive associations with the name. However, I am
concerned about names like ¨Expensive¨ which are hard not to
assign a meaning too.
I am much more concerned about meaning made within a family
because of the repitition of a name within a family. I am a
believer that there is un unconscious system in the family and
family members are offered ¨contracts¨ which they often accept,
as their role in the family. I think the common practice of
naming a first born son after the father often puts an extra
level expectations that, although they can honor the father,
often make life more complicated for the son.
I read an interesting book in Spanish about ¨healing your family
tree¨ that looks at these dynamics. I saw it is available here
free
HTML https://www.scribd.com/document/363712341/Como-Sanar-Tu-Arbol-Genealogico-Octavio-Deniz<br
/>(I linked the section about the choosing of repitition of
names
in a family.
Have any of you ever looked at the family tree of Vincent Van
Gogh?
HTML http://www.vggallery.com/misc/archives/family_tree.htm
This one is a pretty graphic example of how a person was set up
for psychological issues by the ¨honoring¨ tradition in the
family and some weird circumstances. You will see that Vincent
was named after his older infant brother who died one year
before his birth. He was given the exact same name and
reportedly his window looked out over the tombstone of his
brother who had the same name. The grief of the family affected
his naming and his life. You can look at all the repeats of
certain names--- someone who has done work like I do knows that
a family with naming patterns like that is going to have some
major issues as they pass their partially resolved issues along
with the extra reinforcement of naming traditions.
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