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       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Kseniia
       Date: February 7, 2019, 9:23 am
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       --- Quote from: Erik link ---
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       > I found the thing about the "secret name". Apparently I was
       mistaken, it's not an old tradition, but a modern twist to it
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       > "I discovered that when a child is born in the colony they
       receive the name of the saint from the day thy were born.
       Usually they are very old names, like Virinia, Pelagieya, Andron
       and Aftonom, but I think they are beautiful. I know that in
       Russia religious people do differently: they register a (more
       modern) name of the child on the birth certificate and at the
       time of baptism they ask the priest to refer to the baby by
       another name, which actually corresponds to the saint of the day
       the child was born. This name is recorded only on the baptismal
       certificate and it is as if it were the name of your guardian
       angel."
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  HTML https://br.rbth.com/blogs/2014/01/31/colonia_em_primavera_do_leste_mt_preserva_tradicoes_da_russia_antiga_23947
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       @Erik, that's new information for me, thanks. But to be honest,
       to me the part about religious people in today's Russia asking
       the priest to give their child another name sounds like a huge
       generalisation. Your baptismal name certainly can be the same as
       your civil name as long as it is in the calendar of saints (and
       it covers most of the Russian names of different origins
       anyway). As far as I know, one adopts another Christian name if
       they're
       a) converting into Orthodoxy and are foreigners living in Russia
       (Russian monarchs did that, for example, Catherine the Great,
       born Princess Sophie of Anhalt-Zerbst);
       b) going into priesthood.
       I honestly don't know anyone who is not a priest/nun/monk and
       has a baptismal name different from their "usual" name (and I
       had never heard of baptism certificates either... though I know
       there are parish registers, maybe that's what they mean). But of
       course it's possible that people are just extremely good at
       keeping their baptismal names in secret :)
       #Post#: 12246--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Coligno
       Date: February 8, 2019, 5:10 am
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       @Erik, the term "Christian name" in English is just a synonym of
       "given name"; it doesn't refer specifically to the middle name,
       but includes it along with the first name as the names bestowed
       on a person by their parents (as opposed to the surname, which
       is inherited automatically). It sounds a bit dated nowadays.
       #Post#: 12264--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Susan
       Date: February 8, 2019, 11:51 am
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       I do not think the ¨meaning of a name¨ is truly a meaning if no
       one is familiar with the meaning. I think my name used to mean
       something like ¨lilly¨ in Hebrew.  But it never had that meaning
       in my family.  I was named after a cute, sweet neighbor girl
       from my father´s childhood. He and my mother both liked her and
       had positive associations with the name.    However, I am
       concerned about names like ¨Expensive¨ which are hard not to
       assign a meaning too.
       I am much more concerned about meaning made within a family
       because of the repitition of a name within a family.  I am a
       believer that there is un unconscious system in the family and
       family members are offered ¨contracts¨ which they often accept,
       as their role in the family.  I think the common practice of
       naming a first born son after the father often puts an extra
       level expectations that, although they can honor the father,
       often make life more complicated for the son.
       I read an interesting book in Spanish about ¨healing your family
       tree¨ that looks at these dynamics.  I saw it is available here
       free
  HTML https://www.scribd.com/document/363712341/Como-Sanar-Tu-Arbol-Genealogico-Octavio-Deniz<br
       />(I linked the section about the choosing of repitition of
       names
       in a family.
       Have any of you ever looked at the family tree of Vincent Van
       Gogh?
  HTML http://www.vggallery.com/misc/archives/family_tree.htm
       
       This one is a pretty graphic example of how a person was set up
       for psychological issues by the ¨honoring¨ tradition in the
       family and some weird circumstances.  You will see that Vincent
       was named after his older infant brother who died one year
       before his birth.  He was given the exact same name and
       reportedly his window looked out over the tombstone of his
       brother who had the same name.  The grief of the family affected
       his naming and his life. You can look at all the repeats of
       certain names--- someone who has done work like I do knows that
       a family with naming patterns like that is going to have some
       major issues as they pass their partially resolved issues along
       with the extra reinforcement of naming traditions.
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