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       #Post#: 12180--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Aliph
       Date: February 7, 2019, 3:05 am
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       @Kseniia, I was wondering about your name/avatar, is it
       typically Russian? Besides being a beautiful name it sounds
       Greek. There is a Greek name which means guest, hospitality.
       In Italian there is the masculin name ZENO which has the same
       origin.
       There is also a novel « Zeno’s confessions » by the writer Italo
       Svevo who was a pupil of James Joyce, Joyce gave him English
       lessons!!!
  HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_Conscience
       #Post#: 12184--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Coligno
       Date: February 7, 2019, 3:40 am
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       @Erik, the "secret name" you mention sounds a little bit like
       the widespread custom in English-speaking countries in Europe
       (and possibly elsewhere) of the "middle name". Children are
       usually given two names (as well as the surname, which is
       inherited, of course): the first name, which is the one commonly
       used; and the middle name, which most people never use and never
       even mention, many people even seem to find it embarrassing and
       are reluctant to reveal it to others. It's not officially a
       secret name, but many people treat it as such. There are no set
       criteria for choosing a middle name, the parents generally just
       choose something they like, as with the first name, though some
       families may have their own traditions, such as passing down a
       middle name or (especially in Scotland) given the mother's
       maiden name as a middle name.
       #Post#: 12185--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Aliph
       Date: February 7, 2019, 3:47 am
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       --- Quote from: Coligno link ---
       > There are no set criteria for choosing a middle name, the
       parents generally just choose something they like, as with the
       first name, though some families may have their own traditions
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       It seems to me that often the middle name was chosen giving the
       child the name of one of the grandparents or another ancestor
       who distinguished himself for his deeds.
       #Post#: 12186--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Kseniia
       Date: February 7, 2019, 4:05 am
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       @Sofia, yes, some Greek names are quite popular in Russia, and
       Ксения is one of them. It
       does have a connection with the concept of hospitality, but we
       usually translate it into Russian as "foreigner"/"stranger"
       (from the ancient Greek ξένος).
       Is the novel written in a manner similar to Joyce's (as a result
       of the language lessons)? If yes, I'm afraid that even the name
       of the main character won't make me read it: I honestly tried to
       read Joyce's "Ulysses" and failed miserably...
       #Post#: 12187--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Aliph
       Date: February 7, 2019, 4:08 am
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       Ha, ha. Once before I die, I will try to read Ulysses again.
       No the book of Italo Svevo is more accessible. I thought that it
       was because it is written in Italian.
       #Post#: 12188--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Allie
       Date: February 7, 2019, 4:20 am
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       I found the thing about the "secret name". Apparently I was
       mistaken, it's not an old tradition, but a modern twist to it
       "I discovered that when a child is born in the colony they
       receive the name of the saint from the day thy were born.
       Usually they are very old names, like Virinia, Pelagieya, Andron
       and Aftonom, but I think they are beautiful. I know that in
       Russia religious people do differently: they register a (more
       modern) name of the child on the birth certificate and at the
       time of baptism they ask the priest to refer to the baby by
       another name, which actually corresponds to the saint of the day
       the child was born. This name is recorded only on the baptismal
       certificate and it is as if it were the name of your guardian
       angel."
  HTML https://br.rbth.com/blogs/2014/01/31/colonia_em_primavera_do_leste_mt_preserva_tradicoes_da_russia_antiga_23947
       #Post#: 12189--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Allie
       Date: February 7, 2019, 4:23 am
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       --- Quote from: Coligno link ---
       >
       > @Erik, the "secret name" you mention sounds a little bit like
       the widespread custom in English-speaking countries in Europe
       (and possibly elsewhere) of the "middle name". Children are
       usually given two names (as well as the surname, which is
       inherited, of course): the first name, which is the one commonly
       used; and the middle name, which most people never use and never
       even mention, many people even seem to find it embarrassing and
       are reluctant to reveal it to others. It's not officially a
       secret name, but many people treat it as such. There are no set
       criteria for choosing a middle name, the parents generally just
       choose something they like, as with the first name, though some
       families may have their own traditions, such as passing down a
       middle name or (especially in Scotland) given the mother's
       maiden name as a middle name.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thanks, Coligno.
       Just out of curiosity, do you have to register the middle name?
       Or is it only used in a baptism certificate?
       #Post#: 12190--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Allie
       Date: February 7, 2019, 4:38 am
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       Just to conclude the name topic in Portuguese....
       We usually have two surnames (mother's and father's, in this
       order). We usually call the mother's surname "middle name"
       Second names (what is called "middle names" in English-speaking
       countries) are common, but most people only have one name.
       There isn't any particular reason to choose a second name and
       they're usually adopted because:
       1 - certain names just go well together. Most Victors I met are
       also Hugos. Many Carlos are also Eduardos. Marias and Anas tend
       to have second names too.
       2 - the parents could not agree on one name, so they choose
       both.
       3 - it gives children an option. If for some reason they dislike
       their name, they can use the second
       We usually refer to a person using their first names, but some
       name combinations are strong and commonly used together (Victor
       Hugo and Ana Paula). As mentioned before, the second name can be
       used depending on preference.
       All names must be registered.
       #Post#: 12193--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Coligno
       Date: February 7, 2019, 6:06 am
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       @Erik, yes, your middle name is part of your official name, so
       it needs to be registered, and if you were filling in official
       forms and suchlike you would put it in (sometimes forms even
       specify, in case you forget). I didn't even know you got a
       baptism certificate, I've never been involved with any churches.
       On the subject of name days, it's something Italians do too
       (it's called "onomastico" in Italian), but I get the impression
       it's not as important nowadays as it used to be (it might be a
       bigger thing in the south). Despite Ireland being a
       predominantly Catholic country, it doesn't seem to be a thing
       there, or at least I've never heard of anybody observing it
       there, even though Ireland certainly isn't lacking in saints
       (although I'm not sure if all the Irish saints are actually
       recognised by Rome; incidentally, in the Irish language native
       saints have a different title to non-native ones: Naomh vs San,
       so Naomh Pádraig (though Patrick wasn't actually Irish, he has
       been adopted as an honorary Irishman) but San Tomás).
       #Post#: 12195--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Names and Meaning
   DIR By: Allie
       Date: February 7, 2019, 8:02 am
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       @Coligno
       Thanks again.
       To be honest, I just asked about a baptist certificate because
       it was mentioned in the story about Russian names.
       Even though I had been baptised in a Catholic Church, I am not
       much aware of the customs and traditions.
       As middle names can be sometimes referred to as Baptism names or
       Christian names, I just asked for curiosity. Apparently there
       are Confirmation names too.
       Never mind.
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