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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Allie
Date: February 6, 2019, 9:10 am
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@Alharacas
Please, allow me to give some examples too.
HTML https://mmosgame.com/nomes-estranhos/
I chose some that caught my attention
Um Dois Três de Oliveira Quatro (One Two Three de Oliveira Four)
Letsgo Daqui (Let’s go from here)
Dolores Fuertes De Barriga (strong stomachache)
Amável Pinto (Lovely Cock)
Bucetildes Fernandes (I can’t translate that)
As for the name combinations I was talking about previously,
some examples are:
Juldrene (Julmar + Pedro)
Mangelstron (Manoel + Geralda + Neil Armstrong)
Mariscleide (Maria + Cleide)
@Gef the Talking Mongoose
About surnames, in Portuguese, there aren’t many surnames
related to professions.
Most surnames come from geography and refer to rivers, trees and
regions.
They are called “toponímicos” and that’s the reason why many
Portuguese surnames are names of trees, such as Pereira,
Oliveira, Carvalho, etc.
Even the name “Ferreira”, usually considered to be a name
derived from a profession (ferreiro - blacksmith) actually comes
from the name of a river.
#Post#: 12144--------------------------------------------------
Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Nikola
Date: February 6, 2019, 9:35 am
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Czech people don't pay much attention to the meaning of the
name, although mugs and key chains with "the origin of your name
and qualities associated with it" make popular gifts.
Having said that, what the website told me, Erik, was
frighteningly accurate so now I'm wondering if my PC's been
hacked :)
If you scroll down, they offer a "Free Name and Birth Day
Report", which requires giving them your second name and date of
birth. I wonder if they also offer a "Free Home Address Report".
That's when they turn up on your doorstep, Neal.
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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Chizuko hanji
Date: February 6, 2019, 10:58 am
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I'm often asked the meaning of my name from foreign friends as
they know Japanese letters (kanji) have each meaning. The kanji
always is with you so that it effects your life. If parents name
a child too much expecting one, sometimes the child is told
he/she doesn't fit the name. It's sad, isn't it? For example,
Tsuyoshi (剛）means a strong man, but sometimes he
is very sweet, shy, quiet and not a sportsman. But usually, most
of children remember the meaning and try to behave to fit the
name in their life.
What Japanese names do you know? Yoko Ono. Ken Watanabe. Akira
Kurosawa. Konmari (Marie Kondo) and so on.
I can guess the meaning of their names in Kanji.
Yoko (洋子) means the ocean. Have a opened mind like
the ocean.
Ken (謙）means modesty, humble. The actor Ken
Watanabe is famous for his modest atmosphere like samurai.
Akira(明）means bright. But he was wearing black
sunglasses. His camera work of using Sunshine and shadow gave
impact to the world. It effects a lot of famous movie directors
like Francis Coppola, Steven Spielberg and so on.
Marie(真理恵）means truth and grace. She
is well known on Netflix as she shows the true method of
cleaning.
My name, Chizuko(知津子) means intelligence
and water. What did my parents expect me? haha! Exactly, I need
both of them, intelligence and water for all my life as a human.
Mongoose
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> I always had the impression that name meanings were important
in the past because they described your occupation. For example,
Weaver, Laird, Potter, etc., told the world what you do to earn
a living. These are English/Irish/Scottish, of course. But I
suppose that other cultures used the same naming scheme.
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Erik
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> @Gef the Talking Mongoose
> About surnames, in Portuguese, there aren’t many surnames
related to professions.
> Most surnames come from geography and refer to rivers, trees
and regions.
> They are called “toponímicos” and that’s the reason why many
Portuguese surnames are names of trees, such as Pereira,
Oliveira, Carvalho, etc.
> Even the name “Ferreira”, usually considered to be a name
derived from a profession (ferreiro - blacksmith) actually
--- End Quote ---
I see. Japanese too. Not only the occupations but many names are
related with the place their ancestors were born, too.
Yamakawa(山川）means a mountain and a river.
Morita (森田）means a forest and a rice field.
TOYOTA(豊田）means a rich rice field.
By the way, Is your name, Gef the talking Mongoose realated to
your occupation? It sounds like an interesting job.
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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Allie
Date: February 6, 2019, 12:03 pm
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@Chizuko
Don't even get me started on Marie Kondo!
First you showed me that video of children cleaning a school in
Japan and I ended up cleaning my apartment.
I watched one episode of Tidying Up with Marie Kondo afterwards
and the result? My drawers are organised!!!!
Even thinking about it makes me wonder if maybe I should do some
laundry or something. I am already exhausted!
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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Kseniia
Date: February 6, 2019, 12:14 pm
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--- Quote from: Erik link ---
>
> It said that they had preserved some old Russian traditions
and I think there was something about names. You have a regular
first name and then a “secret name” that they don’t tell. Is is
the Saint’s name?
> Do you know what I am talking about?
>
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Wow, that's interesting. No, there are no secret names, usually.
It strikes me as something pagan, but I have one thought about
it. Do you remember what the people in this video looked like?
Men with long beards, women in long dresses? If yes, then they
probably were Old Ritualists (well, what's left of them...).
Maybe the name thing has to do with their traditions —
unfortunately, I don't know much about them but it seems
possible.
In case you don't know who they are: Old Ritualists (aka Old
Believers) represent one of the branches of Russian Orthodoxy.
TLDR: The Russian Orthodox Church split in the middle of the
17th century, and the Old Believers were anathematised and
mostly driven out first into Siberia, then into Manchuria, and
then into distant lands (Brazil included).
..I suppose there are many differences between the Old and the
New Rite, but the best-known are the pronunciation of the name
Jesus (Patriarch Nikon's reforms changed
Ісусъ [ɪˈsus] into
Іисусъ
[ɪɪˈsus]) and the form of the sign of the cross:
the Old Believers use two fingers (index and middle finger,
symbolising "two natures" in Christ, middle finger slightly bent
[reference to kenosis]), and the New Believers, who have become
the main branch of Russian Orthodoxy since then, use three
fingers (index, middle and the thumb) held together at point —
they symbolise the Trinity). I don't know why it happened but
the Greeks switched to using three fingers in the 13th century
or so, and one of the main points of the Church reforms in the
1650s in Russia, power issues aside, was correction of the
Russian Church rituals in accordance with their Greek
counterparts of the time. Anyway, the two fingers gesture had
become the symbol of resistance: for example, you can see it in
the painting "Boyarynya Morozova" by Vasily Surikov
[
HTML https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/boyarina-morozova/ogHGQgd1Ws9Htg<br
/>] which depicts the arrest of Feodosia Morozova (boyarynya = a
female member of Russian feudal aristocracy). The Old Believers
were severely persecuted after the schism, and in 1685
(incidentally, the same year the Edict of Nantes was revoked by
Louis XIV of France) the regent of Russia, Sophia, issued the
document called "12 articles" which was basically a pretty
detailed instruction on torturing and executing schismatics. A
few years later, her brother Petr (you might know him as Peter
the Great*) overthrew his sister and introduced the concept of
double taxation for the surviving Old Believers (for some reason
they didn't find it very generous and fled the "European" part
of Russia).
*The one who founded Saint Petersburg — as you can see, Petr
named the city after his patron saint. Though of course city
naming and renaming traditions in Russia are not necessarily
religious: from 1924 to 1991 the same city was called Leningrad
(lit. "Lenin's city"), and the surrounding suburb area is still
called Leningradskaya Oblast ("Leningrad Region").
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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Allie
Date: February 6, 2019, 12:37 pm
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That was so interesting and informative, Kseniia. Thank you very
much!
Yes, they were exactly as you described.
I had tried to find this particular video I mentioned but I
couldn't.
Anyway, here is a compilation of stories about Russian colonies
in Brazil. They are usually rural and segregated. Of course, I
don't expect you to understand the video (it's in Portuguese) or
watch the whole thing, but you can have an idea of what they are
like
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb-oEKBhH6c&t=914s
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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Moonlight
Date: February 6, 2019, 12:43 pm
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In my country, Iran, religious names are still quite popular. I
have a religious name, too. Why and how my parents decided to
give me that name is still a mystery to me; I'm not that
trustworthy as my name suggests.:P
Recently, there has been a trend among the young generation to
choose kind of weird names for their kids. One of the names that
I'm not much comfortable with is نفس,
literally meaning breath. It actually means dear or darling, but
honestly, it more reminds of the respiratory system. I wonder if
one day people would get interested in naming their kids
خمیازه, yawning in
English:-\
Below is a list of some of the strangest names ever recorded in
Iran's Vital Statistics Office. I think some people should never
get married and have kids
Names for men (related to the past, of course)
گرگ آقا (Mr. Wolf)
بره (lamb)
چاه (well)
یتیم (orphan)
آرشیو (archive)
آسیب (injury)
اجباری (compulsory)
اشتر (camel)
اهریمن (demon)
ملخ ( grasshopper) ;D
فضا (space)
شفتالو ( peach)
شربت (sherbet)
قطار (train)
قربانی (victim)
گشنه ( hungry) ??? Excuse me?!
کابوس (nightmare)
سرباز (soldier)
فرار (running away)
Names for girls:
نوشابه (soda)
خرما‌ (date)
آشفته (agitated)
آفت (plague) :o ;D
افسرده (depressed)
پنبه (cotton)
حلوا (halve)
خیار (cucumber) ::)
شقیقه (temple)
کفتر (pigeon)
نیمکت (bench)
قیمتی (expensive)
لوله (pipe) :o
پنیر (cheese)
آمریکا ( America)
آلمان (Germany)
انگلیس (England)
انقلاب (revolution)
Fortunately, now there is a committee which decides on the
appropriateness of names chosen for newborn babies. Foreign
names and bizarre, meaningless names are not qualified and
allowed in Iran. People often name their baby girls after the
names of flowers or beautiful things in nature. Most boyish
names carry positive traits as well.
#Post#: 12166--------------------------------------------------
Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Alharacas
Date: February 6, 2019, 1:13 pm
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@Moonlight - From what I've seen and heard of babies, Expensive,
Hungry and even Plague seem perfectly appropriate names to me.
Orphan, however, is a bit much, I agree.
@Erik - I don't know what you're complaining about. Ácido
Acético Etílico Da Silva does have a nice ring to it, don't you
think?
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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Allie
Date: February 6, 2019, 1:37 pm
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--- Quote from: Alharacas link ---
>
>
> @Erik - I don't know what you're complaining about. Ácido
Acético Etílico Da Silva does have a nice ring to it, don't you
think?
>
--- End Quote ---
I think I prefer Madeinusa
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Re: Names and Meaning
DIR By: Kseniia
Date: February 7, 2019, 12:34 am
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@Erik, many thanks for the video! You're right, I don't
understand Portuguese, unfortunately, but from what I can see,
it's all quite different from what you can come across in modern
Russia (even in rural areas). The community seems very
traditionalistic. I've done some googling — apparently, in the
Middle ages Russian people could have two given names: canonical
(baptismal) and non-canonical (traditional), and some people
kept their baptismal name in secret. So I suppose this tradition
survived among some of the descendants of Old Believers then.
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