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Re: The Political Compass
By: Truman Overby Date: November 16, 2018, 5:44 am
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=620.msg9238#msg9238
date=1542341701]
„Are you in favor of the death penalty?“ Of course not. That`s
barbarism. [/quote]
As a wise man told me once told me: "No one's in favor of the
death penalty until Grandma is murdered."
Think about it, Steve, you were in favor of letting Charles
Manson live. While Sharon Tate had a fetus cut from her body and
was murdered by Manson's "Family." You must be proud to be so
"Progressive."
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Re: The Political Compass
By: SHL Date: November 16, 2018, 1:32 pm
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I wasnt in favor of the death penalty for Charlie Mason, no.
It`s barbarism
It didnt bother me that he lived his life in a cage.
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Re: The Political Compass
By: SHL Date: November 16, 2018, 4:07 pm
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[img width=300
height=250]
HTML https://www.politicalcompass.org/chart?ec=-8.88&soc=-7.74[/img]
This is how I came out. Not sure what it all means, but it looks
good.
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Re: The Political Compass
By: Allie Date: November 17, 2018, 8:51 am
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@Nikola
I avoid talking about politics, but those tests are so
misleading that I will comment on this topic.
If you take one of this tests, chances are indeed the result
will be different from your actual political position and
there’s a clear reason for that: they are usually biased, rely
on ignorance or play on words (or all of those together)
For example, they have questions such as “Do you believe there
should be less income inequality?”
Who would actually say “no” to that?
But we don’t live in Wonderland and the real question is
actually something like “Would you be willing to sacrifice your
own income to promote income redistribution via taxes?”
Then your answer may be different.
You can also have questions such as “Do you believe everybody
should have access to education, health and security?”
Again, this would be really fantastic in an ideal world, now
wouldn’t it?
But the real question is “Are you willing to give more power to
the government when it comes to health, education and security
areas and pay for that through a raise in taxes?"
If you don’t really know what they are asking, how can you
answer appropriately and, therefore, how can the result in
itself be accurate?
I took this test some time ago, so I didn’t even bother to do it
this time, but I remember this one is no different. If I am not
mistaken, this only is not only biased but it’s US-centric.
If you really want to know your political position, the BEST
thing you can do is study read the works of Adam Smith, Marx,
Keynes, Mises, etc. Read from different sources, not only the
ones you may thing you agree too, and have a really open and
unbiased approach. Then confront those theories to how they
were applied in society and evolved in history.
As I don’t really expect anyone to really study Economics,
History and Political Science, if you want to take a test, you
should try the ones with clear and direct questions.
My answer is gigantic, so I am splitting it.
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Re: The Political Compass
By: Allie Date: November 17, 2018, 8:51 am
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I would also like to comment on what Alharacas said.
Of cours I can’t know her political position for sure, but she
is probably more center and “leftism”is actually more centre in
Germany. As it is in all “civilized” nations.
Even though people like to conveniently overlook it, what
defines Left and Right is economical freedom.
- If you believe in lower taxations, less bureaucracy when it
comes to trade and investment, freer flow of capitals and goods,
free trade among nations, etc, you’re actually right wing
(surprising, right?). Classically, the United States would be
the perfect examples (think about the “American Dream”), but
nowadays it isn’t as open as it was, but you get the idea.
- If you believe in planified economy, exchange rate control and
that prices, investments and production should be controlled by
the government, you’re left wing. Examples are Cuba and North
Corea* (yes)
- If you believe in a mix, such as open trade but (heavy)
taxation, you’re center. The Scandinavian counties are the best
examples.

If you still don’t know that I am talking about, you can
check the Heritage ranking. It lists countries according to
economic freedom. There you can see the countries whose economic
policies you agree most with:
HTML https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
What people usually think about left and right is actually just
a part of it and it’s NOT determining. We’re talking about civil
and social freedom.
Do you believe in drug liberalisation, right to abortion, right
to have guns, homosexual rights, free press, that military
enlistment should not be compulsory, etc, etc, etc?
The more “open” you are, the more “liberal” (not meaning
left-wing here, I am using the world in the literal sense) will
position you in the political compass.
So
If you believe the state should have more control over the
economy AND social liberties, you’re communist (sometimes
referred to “statist”)
If you believe the state should have more control over the
economy but if you’re for civil liberties, you’re socialist
If you believe in a certain level of control from the state in
both sides, but you also advocate for freedom either in economy
as in the social aspect, you’re centrist (you can be
Center-Left/Central-Right)
If you believe that the economy should be free but you think the
state should regulate certain civil liberties, you’re
conservative
If you believe that economy should be open and that the state
should not have much power on civil rights, you’re classical
liberal (commonly referred nowadays as
“neoliberal”/“libertarian”**)
If you put it on a line, it would be more or less like this
(Left) Communism Socialism Center-Left Center Center-Right
Conservatism Liberalism Anarchism (Right)
As you can probably guess, both extremes are actually utopies
and don’t really work.
So, yes, in civilized countries, what is called Left is actually
Centre.
Are there exceptions?
Yes, the Middle East countries don’t fit any of these
definitions, as their social and political code derive from the
Koran. You can see a mix of the concepts, but you can’t actually
classify them using the classical political science terms.
*Even those countries are the closest we have to communist
states, EVERY country nowadays has to have some level of
economical freedom, as not country is auto-sufficient
***This is not the correct classification and there are
differences pertaining meaning to those terms, but they’ve been
widely adopted.
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Re: The Political Compass
By: Allie Date: November 17, 2018, 8:52 am
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To finish, adressing Neal’s comment…
@Neal, of course I can’t speak for yourself as I don’t really
know all your social and economic points of view, but from the
things you write, the impression I get is that you’re
conservative.
Most members of this group I have seen are centre, but there are
some exceptions. I won’t name names (after all, as I said, it’s
speculation and I haven’t discussed in enough depth to know for
sure), but I can think of one socialist and one libertarian.
Observations:
1 - I exceeded my political quota and from now on, I will be
talking only about pizza toppings until, at least, next year.
2 - I am sick of typing and won’t review any typos or grammar.
Sorry
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Re: The Political Compass
By: Susan Date: November 17, 2018, 10:25 am
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Allie, your hypothesis certainly wouldd explain well why so many
of the results I see on the Compass are similar to mine (and
Pashas and several others.) I always thought i was a moderate.
I introduced the Compass to several of my teachers. We used it
to help learn the political terminology, translating it into
Spanish while they took it, and we dicussed the issues it
brought up. I was a little concerned that somehow I could have
been influencing them because their results all seemed so
similar to mine. But if I am very near the center, then it does
not seem so far-fetched that they are also somewhere near the
center. Probably the majority of people are not all that
terribly far from the center.
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Re: The Political Compass
By: NealC Date: November 17, 2018, 10:37 am
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My position on the graph put me just barely to the right and
just barley into libertarian, anyone who has read my diatribes
knows that probably isn't exactly correct :-)
This test is definitely US centric, the questions are biased to
actually drag results to the center. I scored just barely right
because I can see exceptions to the rules, and didn't really
strongly agree or strongly disagree with anything. Life is just
not that black and white.
I very firmly believe in jumping up and down over here on the
right where my peeps live, but in politics I am very much about
finding compromise and making deals. So that makes me a bit
more centrist than the average right wing idealogue. We all
have to live together after all.
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Re: The Political Compass
By: SHL Date: November 17, 2018, 1:59 pm
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Neal and Susan
Post your graph results.
Purple, red and blue- all bad. Green good, as far left as
possible, and toward the bottom. So, I scored even better than
Pasha. Although his wasn`t bad. That´s my scientific analysis.
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Re: The Political Compass
By: SHL Date: November 17, 2018, 2:08 pm
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@Allie
I think the US should fall on your heritage.org list somewhere
around 176, 177, like Eritrea and the Republic of the Congo.
That would be about right.
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