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#Post#: 8921--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: NealC
Date: November 7, 2018, 4:32 pm
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As usual, your "facts" are screwed up:
Thank a Republican for
--Emancipation Proclamation (1863)
--End of the Civil War with Union intact (democrats wanted peace
at any price) (1865)
--Women's right to vote (1872): Republicans Susan B. Anthony and
Elizabeth Cady Stanton write the text of the 19th Amendment,
which is introduced by Republican Senator Aaron A. Sargent of
California. The Amendment was finally ratified in 1920.'
--Victory in the Spanish American War (1898)
--Construction of the Panama Canal (1904):
--First woman elected to U.S. House of Representatives (1916)
--Construction of the Hoover Dam (1928)
--The Interstate Highway System (1956)
--Desegregating schools (1957)
--The First Asian-American U.S. Senator (1959)
--Civil Rights Act of 1960: "Eisenhower signs the GOP’s 1960
Civil Rights Act after it survived a five-day, five-hour
filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats."
--The Reagan tax cuts (1981): Republican Ronald Reagan
revitalized the listless U.S. economy with tax cuts that created
a massive surge of jobs, economic growth, and prosperity.
--Collapse of the Soviet Union (1991): Ronald Reagan's tireless
work against the Soviet Union finally paid off as it formally
dissolved in 1991, while his former Vice-President, George H.W.
Bush was in office.
--Welfare reform (1996): After Clinton vetoed two previous
versions of welfare reform, Republicans sent it back to him a
third time and he finally reluctantly agreed to fulfill has
campaign promise and sign the bill.
--A Republican Congress balances the budget (1998-2001):
Republicans in Congress forced an unenthusiastic Bill Clinton to
balance the budget in his second term.
--Condi Rice becomes Secretary of State (2005): The first black
woman ever to hold that position.
Try harder.
#Post#: 8922--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: NealC
Date: November 7, 2018, 4:35 pm
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Thank a Democrat:
1) The Trail of Tears (1838): The first Democrat President,
Andrew Jackson and his successor Martin Van Buren, herded
Indians into camps, tormented them, burned and pillaged their
homes and forced them to relocate with minimal supplies.
Thousands died along the way.
2) Democrats Cause The Civil War (1860): The pro-slavery faction
of the Democrat Party responded to Abraham Lincoln's election by
seceding, which led to the Civil War.
3) Formation of the KKK (1865): Along with 5 other Confederate
veterans, Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest created the KKK.
4) 300 Black Americans Murdered (1868): "Democrats in Opelousas,
Louisiana killed nearly 300 blacks who tried to foil an assault
on a Republican newspaper editor."
5) The American Protective League and The Palmer Raids
(1919-1921): Under the leadership of Woodrow Wilson, criticizing
the government became a crime and a fascist organization, the
American Protective League was formed to spy on and even arrest
fellow Americans for being insufficiently loyal to the
government. More than 100,000 Americans were arrested, with less
than 1% of them ever being found guilty of any kind of crime.
6) Democrats Successfully Stop Republicans From Making Lynching
A Federal Crime (1922): "The U.S. House adopted Rep. Leonidas
Dyer’s (R., Mo.) bill making lynching a federal crime.
Filibustering Senate Democrats killed the measure."
7) The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (1932-1972): Contrary to
what you may have heard, Democrats in Alabama did not give black
Americans syphilis. However, the experimenters did know that
subjects of the experiment unknowingly had syphilis and even
after it was proven that penicillin could be used to effectively
treat the disease in 1947, the experiments continued. As a
result, a number of the subjects needlessly infected their loved
ones and died, when they could have been cured.
8) Japanese Internment Camps (1942): Democrat Franklin D.
Roosevelt issued an executive order that led to more than
100,000 Japanese Americans being put into "bleak, remote camps
surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards."
9) Alger Hiss Convicted Of Perjury (1950): Hiss, who helped
advise FDR at Yalta and was strongly defended by the Left,
turned out to be a Soviet spy. He was convicted of perjury in
1950 (Sadly, the statute of limitations on espionage had run
out), but was defended by liberals for decades until the Verona
papers proved so conclusively that he was guilty that even most
his fellow liberals couldn't continue to deny it.
10) The West Virgina Democrat primary is rigged by John F.
Kennedy (1960): From an interview with the late, great Robert
Novak.
John Hawkins: You also said that without question, John F.
Kennedy rigged the West Virginia Democratic primary in (1960),
but that the Wall Street Journal killed the story. Do you think
that sort of thing is still occurring with great regularity and
do you wish the Journal had reported the story when it happened?
Robert Novak: In my opinion, they should have. They sent two
reporters down to West Virginia for six weeks and they came back
with a carefully documented story on voter fraud in West
Virginia, buying votes, and how he beat Humphrey in the primary
and therefore got the nomination. But, Ed Kilgore, the President
of Dow Jones and publisher of the Wall Street Journal, a very
conservative man, said it wasn’t the business of the Wall Street
Journal to decide the nominee of the Democratic Party and he
killed the story. That story didn’t come out for many, many
years — 30-40 years. It was kept secret all that time.
11) The Bay of Pigs (1961): After training a Cuban militia to
overthrow Castro, Kennedy got cold feet and didn't give the men
all the air support they were promised. As a result, they were
easily defeated by Castro's men and today, Cuba is still ruled
by a hostile, anti-American dictatorship.
12) Fire Hoses And Attack Dogs Used On Children (1963):
Birmingham, Alabama's notorious Commissioner of Public Safety,
Democrat Bull Connor, used attack dogs and fire hoses on
children and teenagers marching for civil rights. Ultimately,
thousands of them would also be arrested.
13) Stand In The Schoolhouse Door (1963): Democrat George
Wallace gave his notorious speech against integrating schools at
the University of Alabama in which he said, "segregation now,
segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."
14) Escalation In Vietnam (1964): Lyndon Johnson dramatically
escalated our troops’ presence in Vietnam while he
simultaneously put political restrictions in place that made the
war unwinnable. As a result, 58,000 Americans died in a war that
ultimately achieved none of its aims.
15) Chappaquiddick (1969): The Democrats’ beloved "Liberal Lion"
of the Senate, Ted Kennedy ran off the road into a tidal pool
with passenger Mary Jo Kopechne in the car. Kennedy swam free
and then spent 9 hours plotting how he would reveal the news to
the press while she slowly suffocated to death.
16) Democrats Deliver South Vietnam To The North (1975): "In
1975, when there were no Americans left in Vietnam, the left
wing of the Democratic Party killed the government of South
Vietnam, cut off all of its funding, cut off all of its
ammunition, and sent a signal to the world that the United
States had abandoned its allies." -- Newt Gingrich
17) The Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979-1981): 52 Americans were
held hostage by the government of Iran for 444 days. After Jimmy
Carter’s disastrous, failed rescue attempt, the hostages were
finally released after Ronald Reagan's inaugural address.
18) Bill Clinton turns down Osama Bin Laden (1996): In Bill
Clinton's own words, "'Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He
was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan.
And we’d been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start
meeting with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996,
he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him
here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we
knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.' — Bill Clinton
explains to a Long Island, N.Y., business group why he turned
down Sudan’s offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden to America in
1996." Had Bill Clinton accepted Sudan's offer, 9/11 would have
likely never happened.
19) Bill Clinton was impeached (1998): Clinton became only the
2nd President in American history to be impeached after he lied
under oath about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.
20) America loses its AAA credit rating (2011): The United
States was first given its AAA credit in 1917, but it couldn’t
survive Barack Obama's record breaking spending. In 2011,
America lost its AAA credit rating.
#Post#: 8924--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: SHL
Date: November 7, 2018, 5:02 pm
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Neal,
I can`t write a novel about all this stuff, like you did, but
you know as well as I that the Democratic and Republican Parties
flip-flopped in the 19th and 20th centuries. Yes, we all know
that Lincoln was a Republican, but he was definitely no
Republican like today´s Republicans.
By the 1950s, the US segregated South had become largely
Republican, and Barry Goldwater, in his 1964 campaign, lost in a
landslide election against him carrying ONLY the Old South.
Vietnam was a terrible mess for both sides, everyone later
regretted. But, continuing to support that loser of a situation
in any way in 1975 would have been an incredible waste. Cutting
funding and getting out was what the people of the US, and the
world wanted, and that was of necessity. It was welcome. Any
kind of continued support for the old South Vietnamese US puppet
government would have been absurd and a waste of money and
resources.
The 1979 Iranian revolution was brought on by the 1953 overthrow
of Irianian Prime Minister Mosaddegh when he wanted to
nationalize Iranian oil reserves and cut out the US and UK oil
industries. This led to a coup, which was an Anglo-American
effort, that resulted in the Shah being installed as dictator.
That´s what lead to the uprising while Carter was in office. It
had nothing to do with Carter or his leadership, but he had the
problem dropped in his lap (Republican Eisenhower was in office
in 1953). A Republican-created problem dropped into a Democratic
President`s lap. Try again.
I could go on and on, but instead of looking at whether Bull
Conner was Democrat (like who cares?), I`d be more interested in
the social benefit programs which party had left the people
with. Things that matter. Good old Nixon and Spiro Agrew (one of
the biggest crooks in history) were Republicans, but this type
of argumentation sort of goes no where, doesn’t it?
By the way, what are you going on about with Reagan? He never
brought down the Soviet Union or Berlin Wall. Why? Because of
some dumb speech he gave at the Berlin Wall in the late 80s?
What did that do? Nothing. “Mr. Gorbachev, bring down this
wall.” Yeah, big deal.
#Post#: 8926--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: NealC
Date: November 7, 2018, 5:06 pm
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And yet the wall came down.
Lincoln was most assuredly a conservative. Shall I assemble
some Lincoln quotes for you?
What for, it will not penetrate.
My point being the Democrats have had their fair share of
stupidity, and the Republicans their fair share of success.
#Post#: 8927--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: SHL
Date: November 7, 2018, 5:11 pm
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--- Quote from: NealC link ---
>
> And yet the wall came down.
>
> Lincoln was most assuredly a conservative. Shall I assemble
some Lincoln quotes for you? What for, it will not penetrate.
>
> My point being the Democrats have had their share of
stupidity, and the Republicans their share of success.
>
--- End Quote ---
That Reagan gave a speech and the wall came down is correlation,
not causation.
The Republicans never brought a single important social program
into effect that benefitted the people. That`s the problem. Who
cares who sponsored an amendment to give women the right to
vote? So what?
Oh, but the Republicans will always say they have a secret plan
to make healthcare affordable and available to all, but that`s
all it is. All talk, no do. Because they don’t care.
Republicans care about money, not people. At least the Democrats
care more about people, and try to help as much as they can, in
the face of the Republican monster.
#Post#: 8940--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: the lost minion
Date: November 8, 2018, 4:05 am
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Sorry for barging in, but this is an interesting and digestible
article:
HTML https://www.wired.com/story/midterm-elections-2018-hacking-media-manipulation-caravan/
Hacking the media and voter suppression seem especially worth
highligting.
#Post#: 8948--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: NealC
Date: November 8, 2018, 6:02 am
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I would like to see evidence and prosecution of voter
suppression and would not mind serious prison sentences. What I
have seen of the stories - from both sides- is more like
conspiracy theory than anything else. The FBI still works here
and loves to break up stuff like that.
The 2013 decision on The Voters Rights Act was laudable. The
states targeted by that act are not the same places they were 50
years ago when it was passed. It was time to stop treating them
as second class. And the left can pull all the poor, hurt,
cripple lame people out of their @ss they want - ID should still
be required when doing something as important as voting.
The whole caravan thing. I have to admit I got caught up in it,
and it was a matter of timing. If they were going to show up
for a confrontation just before election day then I could
believe it was a left wing set up. But they are still so far
away. That makes it look like a right wing put up job. I am
now seeing it motivated for political reasons in Honduras, with
the admin jumping on it energetically because it helped their
narrative.
Soldiers deployed already has election timing written all over
it (15000 is way off numbers wise). I do think the famous US
"October Surprise" is a motivational tool. Both sides use it to
energize their base. It is just that the Democrat surprise
(holding the Kavenaugh allegations to late Sept/early Oct)
backfired on them.
#Post#: 8949--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: Alharacas
Date: November 8, 2018, 6:05 am
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"voter suppression" seems like an excellent recipe for creating
civil unrest to me.
I'd be interested to know how "kicking voters off the rolls"
(quote from the article Marmolada linked to) works.
Edit: Okay, Neal, you say it's questionable whether there was
any suppression, but regardless of whether or not it's true (or
to what extent), I'd still be interested to know how challenging
voters' registration works.
#Post#: 8950--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: NealC
Date: November 8, 2018, 6:16 am
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It is a fantasy. One man's "cleaning up the voter rolls" is
another man's 'voter suppression'.
There is a standard of proof required to be on the roll. Anyone
applying those standards equitably (one of the roles of a State
"Secretary of State") often finds that the voter registrations
in poor or rural counties is suspect because of lax standards.
In the United States if poor or rural also correlates with
"black" then the person doing their job is immediately called a
racist. Especially if they are white or Republican.
Obviously if your political career takes you from Sec of State
to a run for governor it must have been part of a grand
conspiracy, where you purged the rolls of political enemies and
poor black folks, just so one day you can get elected.
#Post#: 8952--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elections in the States
DIR By: NealC
Date: November 8, 2018, 6:34 am
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"That Reagan gave a speech and the wall came down is
correlation, not causation."
Reagan did far more than give a speech. But I am not going to
argue that. Most historians (all?) give Reagan's policies
credit for helping to end the Cold War. But I am not going to
argue that either. What for? When has research and footnotes
ever made a dent?
If Reagan and his policies were not causation what was it then?
Did Communism finally fall simply because of its own dead
weight, and the weight of its oppression on the people? Is that
a more acceptable answer to a Communist?
Choose which one you like best.
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