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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: Truman Overby Date: November 2, 2018, 10:03 am
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For the record, I've exercised Herculean restraint by not
hitting the Dumb button on Steve's posts. You're welcome.
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: SHL Date: November 2, 2018, 10:22 am
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No. I never said you can force a country to give you rights you
are not entitled to. But, what do you mean “not entitled to?”
The US allows itself to be sued for some things by some people.
It probably allows itself to be sued over asylum applications
that are denied. That’s just simple due process.
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: Truman Overby Date: November 2, 2018, 10:28 am
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=570.msg8648#msg8648
date=1541172125]
The US allows itself to be sued for some things by some people.
It probably allows itself to be sued over asylum applications
that are denied. That’s just simple due process.
[/quote]
I believe that's called Sovereign Immunity. This is not due
process. Nation-States possess the power of immunity from civil
and criminal suits, in case anyone is wondering what Steve
means.
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: SHL Date: November 2, 2018, 10:36 am
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[quote author=Truman Overby link=topic=570.msg8649#msg8649
date=1541172492]
[quote author=SHL link=topic=570.msg8648#msg8648
date=1541172125]
The US allows itself to be sued for some things by some people.
It probably allows itself to be sued over asylum applications
that are denied. That’s just simple due process.
[/quote]
I believe that's called Sovereign Immunity. This is not due
process. Nation-States possess the power of immunity from civil
and criminal suits, in case anyone is wondering what Steve
means.
[/quote]
Yes, that is true. But, the US government allows itself to be
sued all the time for all kinds of reasons. If a postal truck
read-ends you on the roadway, the US government allows you to
sue it to recover damages. This is simple stuff (the US postal
service is an arm of the US government and is otherwise immune
from lawsuits for anything, even lawsuits like this. But, it
ALLOWS itself to be sued in certain situations. Asylum
application denials is just one of many).
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: Truman Overby Date: November 2, 2018, 10:40 am
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Yes, Steve, I thought that it was clear that I know that the
gov't ALLOWS itself to be sued. I'm very clear on the concept. I
studied this in college many years ago.
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: SHL Date: November 2, 2018, 10:42 am
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The US allows asylum applications. If they are denied, there`s a
legal procedure people are allowed to follow to have the
decision reviewed by a court. That’s what I mean by due process.
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: Truman Overby Date: November 2, 2018, 10:49 am
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=570.msg8656#msg8656
date=1541173379]
The US allows asylum applications. If they are denied, there`s a
legal procedure people are allowed to follow to have the
decision reviewed by a court. That’s what I mean by due process.
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Yes, but they have to have arrived in a legal manner in the
first place. You can't hop on a Soros-funded train in shithole
Guatemala and sue Trump because you heard that he's going to
enforce the law WHEN YOU ARRIVE. And IF YOU ARRIVE LEGALLY.
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: the lost minion Date: November 2, 2018, 11:04 am
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[quote author=NealC link=topic=570.msg8617#msg8617
date=1541162110]
I'm sure you have more than that.
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LOL. It's like I'm back at school again.
Yes, sir. I'll go prepare a speech (don't wait for me, though).
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: SHL Date: November 2, 2018, 12:37 pm
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Yeah, I`d like to hear Status´input on this. And anyone else`s.
This is Neal`s thread. And all we are getting is Neal and
Jerry`s Fox News and Ann Coulter broken record playing.
If a Central or South American country has political instability
or dangerous thugs running the country, I can`t think of a
better reason for political asylum, or anyone else to blame than
the US. Political asylum is for people running for their lives,
at its most simple level. That’s who these people are. You stir
up trouble, like the US did for decades in Central and South
America and this is what happens.
And I don’t know where, as far as US policy goes, you have to be
to apply for political asylum (in or out of the US- most
countries require in). But, this sounds like just another
problem the US brought on itself.
By the way, how come the US was so fast, with NO protest about
taking in any Cuban who could make their way into Florida? I
never heard any complaints about that. And Miami welcomed all
the Bastista strongmen and thugs that kept him in power until
Castro took over. And these hoodlums sent up camp for the
never-ending anti-Castro campaign ongoing out of Miami.
The US is behind all this unrest in Central and South American,
having supported faschist Pinochet in Chile, who used to dangle
babies out of 17 story buildings to get the mothers to confess
to political “offenses” they never committed. A dictator
torturer the US installed to overthrow a left wing
democratically elected President. Great job US. Same thing
happened in Nicaragua. Shame, shame.
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: Sudeep Date: November 3, 2018, 12:12 am
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[quote author=Truman Overby link=topic=570.msg8619#msg8619
date=1541163000]
[quote author=Sudeep link=topic=570.msg8615#msg8615
date=1541161201]
Today I read that your president ordered to shoot those people
who through stones at them!?
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Have you ever had a stone thrown at your head, Sudeep? Have you
ever been in combat? Do you realize that this group of people
forced their way into Mexico? Do you realize that every country
has a right to protect its borders and has immigration laws? Do
you realize that no country on earth is obliged to accept
millions of people into its embrace? The US is not and never has
been obligated to accept people who are fleeing poverty and a
spouse who beats them. The US contains millions of people in
exactly these situations. Charity begins at home.
The US belongs to Americans. It does not belong to every Tom,
Dick and Harry who decides to walk across the border and demand
free s h i t. And this is exactly what has been happening for
years. And yes, they do demand. They have far left groups
working on their behalf. This insanity has now reached the level
where this group now traveling north has sued Pres. Trump
demanding asylum. Can you imagine such a thing? It's complete
and utter lunacy.
So if you want them in India you're free to make the offer. Good
luck.
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Jerry, India's full now:) Anyway, I understand your concern but
my point was how to deal with this situation. Do you think
bullets can stop them and make things alright? If so, well, then
great! The US has power to do anything it wants. But I was
saying the US can act like a big brother and bring all those
countries to table and lead them to resolve this problem. Now,
you may say resolving problem of other countries is none of our
business as we already have our own to dealt with-- you are
right though, but that's not the sign of a leader country as the
US think itself to be along with rest of the world. And honestly
speaking, aggressiveness and violence were never a solution nor
it will be. India would still be under British Raj had Mahatma
acted aggressively by following the path of violence.
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