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#Post#: 8613--------------------------------------------------
So let's make some policy!
By: NealC Date: November 2, 2018, 6:47 am
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I have been challenged by a few friends lately both on this
board and in real life with the question:
What policy could the United States institute towards South and
Central America that would nip this latest wave of immigration
in the bud by creating wealth and opportunity in their home
countries?
We have to recognize that this wave of families migrating are
not economic migrants, which can be controlled. More and more
they are people fleeing dangerous political instability at home,
and that needs a different approach.
Even yesterday I was speaking with one of my workers who
wistfully referred to his homeland of El Salvador, the beauty
and productivity of the land, growing things continually, no
separations of seasons, no silly things like frost and snow. He
wants to go back. But his government alternates between
powerless fools or kleptomaniac thugs. Dangerous gangs control
the local communities. He can't go back. And he keeps bringing
more and more family here.
We did it for Europe and Japan after WWIi. What can we do
today?
#Post#: 8615--------------------------------------------------
Re: So let's make some policy!
By: Sudeep Date: November 2, 2018, 7:20 am
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Neal, we all know the US has influence all over the world due to
its military capability and economic hegemony. But I don't think
the influence it has over the world are being used properly
otherwise it would not be facing that immigration problem. Today
I read that your president ordered to shoot those people who
through stones at them!? If the US along with all those
influential nations try to talk about how to stabilize those
regions from where migrants are flocking towards your nations
instead of indulging with imposition(e.g, in Iran) and war, then
some great outcome would surely be expected.
#Post#: 8616--------------------------------------------------
Re: So let's make some policy!
By: the lost minion Date: November 2, 2018, 7:21 am
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God, you're not going to invade El Salvador now, are you? Just
sit on it for a while, Neal. There's no need to rush. Do this
coup in Venezuela that is scheduled, see what happens and
proceed from there...
#Post#: 8617--------------------------------------------------
Re: So let's make some policy!
By: NealC Date: November 2, 2018, 7:35 am
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C'mon status, I was excited to see your participation in a
political thread. I'm sure you have more than that. As for
Venezuela, when does a coup become the humanitarian thing to do?
When all of the people have either left or starved to death?
Sudeep I once read a very interesting book that talked about
creating real middle east solutions by involving and engaging
with Turkey and Iran. We have more common interests that what
at first appears. Successive administrations (this was written
during the Bush Era I think) have made enemies in the region
instead of improvements. But one unsolvable problem at a time!
So, solutions for South America anyone?
#Post#: 8619--------------------------------------------------
Re: So let's make some policy!
By: Truman Overby Date: November 2, 2018, 7:50 am
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[quote author=Sudeep link=topic=570.msg8615#msg8615
date=1541161201]
Today I read that your president ordered to shoot those people
who through stones at them!?
[/quote]
Have you ever had a stone thrown at your head, Sudeep? Have you
ever been in combat? Do you realize that this group of people
forced their way into Mexico? Do you realize that every country
has a right to protect its borders and has immigration laws? Do
you realize that no country on earth is obliged to accept
millions of people into its embrace? The US is not and never has
been obligated to accept people who are fleeing poverty and a
spouse who beats them. The US contains millions of people in
exactly these situations. Charity begins at home.
The US belongs to Americans. It does not belong to every Tom,
Dick and Harry who decides to walk across the border and demand
free s h i t. And this is exactly what has been happening for
years. And yes, they do demand. They have far left groups
working on their behalf. This insanity has now reached the level
where this group now traveling north has sued Pres. Trump
demanding asylum. Can you imagine such a thing? It's complete
and utter lunacy.
So if you want them in India you're free to make the offer. Good
luck.
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: Truman Overby Date: November 2, 2018, 8:05 am
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HTML https://www.foxnews.com/politics/migrants-traveling-to-us-sue-trump-government-claim-violation-of-constitutional-rights
Think about this. These people are currently in Mexico as far as
we know. Yet they claim that their rights under the US
Constitution are being violated. These are not citizens of the
US. I repeat, these people are currently in Mexico. They are
citizens of other countries, not the US. Sheer lunacy.
And I ask you, how on earth did these people file a suit against
the United States government? We're told they're all poverty
stricken. The answer is obvious but you won't hear it in the
press. Especially not the US press. Answer, in case you can't
figure it out: Far left groups are aiding this group. It's
preposterous and outrageous.
#Post#: 8623--------------------------------------------------
Re: So let's make some policy!
By: NealC Date: November 2, 2018, 8:12 am
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I am kinda on the side of the shoot those with rocks thing too,
I must admit. As the father of someone in the military, I want
our boys protected first of all.
I remember when my nephew was in the Marine Corps and he was
protecting a humanitarian aid station someplace where there was
a lot of local trouble. He carried an Italian automatic shotgun
and the first load was non lethal -- rubber shot or a bean bag.
If that didn't do the trick in calming the situation the second
load was flechetes (very lethal).
I could support that.
#Post#: 8624--------------------------------------------------
Re: So let's make some policy!
By: SHL Date: November 2, 2018, 8:13 am
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Jerry,
The US has a duty under international law to accept a certain
number of refugees/asylees (I forgot the legal distinction
between the two but there is one, because it`s been too long
since International Law class), and I think this is something
all countries have agreed to. The asylum seekers have to show a
country to be the first secure country they have reached, their
first safe haven and have good reasons to be seeking asylum
(better economic opportunities is not a qualifier).
This „keep everyone out“ policy just violates international law
and causes the US to fail to honor the agreements it`s already
made, not that it matters to the USA since the USA is the
world`s bully on the block and does this ALL THE TIME and
anything it wants to any country.
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Re: So let's make some policy!
By: SHL Date: November 2, 2018, 8:18 am
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[quote author=Truman Overby link=topic=570.msg8621#msg8621
date=1541163902]
HTML https://www.foxnews.com/politics/migrants-traveling-to-us-sue-trump-government-claim-violation-of-constitutional-rights
Think about this. These people are currently in Mexico as far as
we know. Yet they claim that their rights under the US
Constitution are being violated. These are not citizens of the
US. I repeat, these people are currently in Mexico. They are
citizens of other countries, not the US. Sheer lunacy.
And I ask you, how on earth did these people file a suit against
the United States government? We're told they're all poverty
stricken. The answer is obvious but you won't hear it in the
press. Especially not the US press. Answer, in case you can't
figure it out: Far left groups are aiding this group. It's
preposterous and outrageous.
[/quote]
No Jerry. They are claiming rights under International Law the
US already agreed to a half a century age but is selectively
ignoring under the current administration.
#Post#: 8626--------------------------------------------------
Re: So let's make some policy!
By: SHL Date: November 2, 2018, 8:27 am
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And the solution to all this would be for the US to STOP acting
like the BIG BULLY it is in the world and stay out of other
countries` business (like Cubas or Venezuelas) and leave these
people alone and stop meddling in the internal affairs of other
countries. And the concept of instigating coups is just a
violation of international law? Excuse me? What gives this
rotten US the right to do THAT? How would the US like it if some
country outside the US decided it didnt like a US government
then just decided to walk in and overthrow the US government,
openly or surreptitiously with a coup? Some country decided they
don’t like Trump, so they decide out he goes? Would the US sit
still for that? Ah no. So why is it okay when the US decided to
it to other countries? Because they are weaker? Sounds like Mao.
Power comes from the barrel of a gun.
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