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Re: Orphan Languages
By: Alharacas Date: October 30, 2018, 11:09 am
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[quote author=NealC link=topic=551.msg8488#msg8488
date=1540807216]
Another point that is particularly aimed at Germany. Sometimes
I look at Germany and I still see so much self-flagellation
about the war. I suppose it was comforting to see during the
Cold War, but for the sake of future generations that stuff
needs to get further back in the rear view mirror.
But it remains to be asked, does the current state of welcoming
immigration have as part of its core a guilty reaction to the
racist policies of the Third Reich? Because I would not like
that to be true.
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Neal, how am I supposed to answer that? The Basic Law of the
Federal Republic of Germany, i.e. the German Constitution was
written with the catastrophe of the Third Reich fresh in
everybody's mind. That's why there is Art. 16a (1) Persons
persecuted on political grounds shall have the right of asylum.
As watered down as it has mostly been in practice.
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Re: Orphan Languages
By: SHL Date: October 31, 2018, 1:14 am
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Neal
You sure will never find anything like THAT in the US
Constitution. Instead we have the right to own a gun, or better
yet a musket like they had in 1780. Brilliant. Yeah, the right
to own guns, as if anyone needs that load of garbage in a
Constitution. What a laugh. The 2nd Amendment should have been
repealed 100 years ago.
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Re: Orphan Languages
By: Alharacas Date: October 31, 2018, 3:49 am
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There is also the small question of what Germany/the EU was
supposed to have done instead, you know. Tell Greece to just
throw the refugees back into the sea they'd come from
("Germany's second biggest mass murder!")? Pay the border
countries to the east to build a wall ("Germany building new
Wall!") in order to have the refugees starve at the borders
(headline: see above)? Pay Greece and the other border countries
to put up and maintain gigantic camps ("Germany building camps
again!")? Of course, the German government could have done right
from the start what it's doing now, i.e. pay gigantic sums of
tax money to the very unsavoury guys who are ruling Turkey, in
order to make the refugees disappear from the headlines. Only
problem: that would not have gone over well with the German
voters. Not at the time.
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Re: Orphan Languages
By: NealC Date: October 31, 2018, 5:49 am
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Yeah, I get it, refugees. It is hard to just send someone back
to a war zone. What is happening now with Turkey?
And the suggested headlines you wrote? It is time for Germany
to respond "F off" to such comparisons. Esp if they come from
Greece.
SHL, I am not going to take advice about disarming myself from
someone who believes in the violent expropriation of private
property as a source of wealth for the common good.
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Re: Orphan Languages
By: Alharacas Date: October 31, 2018, 7:08 am
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[quote author=NealC link=topic=551.msg8542#msg8542
date=1540982960]
Yeah, I get it, refugees. It is hard to just send someone back
to a war zone. What is happening now with Turkey?
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Have a look:
HTML https://www.dw.com/en/eu-greenlights-3-billion-for-syrian-refugees-in-turkey/a-42970744
IMO, there are lots and lots of words like "supposed/supposedly"
missing from that article.
Let's keep in mind that Erdogan is the guy who'd tried to
blackmail the US by keeping Andrew Brunson in jail.
He's also this guy:
HTML https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-abducted-erdogan-opponents-in-kosovo/av-43780323
And this:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%93present_purges_in_Turkey
Please note that many, very many of those dismissed or jailed
because of supposedly being Gulenists had actively been fighting
Gulen's influence in Turkey.
An anecdote: I know a woman who's just received an official
letter from Turkey, threatening her with 7.5 to 15 years of jail
because of her supposed "terrorism" (she'd been helping refugees
in Turkey with the help of an association that may or may not
have been financed by Gulenists). What she's now most afraid of
is that Erdogan might blackmail her into going back to Turkey by
taking her aged and ailing mother prisoner - as he's been known
to do.
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Re: Orphan Languages
By: Alharacas Date: October 31, 2018, 8:31 am
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As to Germany telling Greece to f*ck off - you've heard the joke
that started making the rounds during the (first) Greek debt
crisis, haven't you?
A German is travelling to Greece. Upon arrival, a Greek official
asks him: "Occupation?" Answer: "Not this time."
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Re: Orphan Languages
By: NealC Date: October 31, 2018, 8:39 am
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LOL!
Thanks for the joke!
Are the words the same in German too?
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Re: Orphan Languages
By: Truman Overby Date: October 31, 2018, 8:42 am
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=551.msg8547#msg8547
date=1540992669]
As to Germany telling Greece to f*ck off - you've heard the joke
that started making the rounds during the (first) Greek debt
crisis, haven't you?
A German is travelling to Greece. Upon arrival, a Greek official
asks him: "Occupation?" Answer: "Not this time."
[/quote]
How many Greek Debt Crises are those guys on now? It's gotta be
getting near 500 or so.
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Re: Orphan Languages
By: Alharacas Date: October 31, 2018, 1:00 pm
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[quote author=NealC link=topic=551.msg8548#msg8548
date=1540993145]
LOL!
Thanks for the joke!
Are the words the same in German too?
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No, they aren't, it's an untranslatable joke. But then again, it
wasn't exactly making the rounds in Germany.
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Re: Orphan Languages
By: SHL Date: October 31, 2018, 1:25 pm
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Neal, the US is already setting itself up to be like a Turkey
with Erdogan. It`going in that direction fast.
I`m glad you feel protected from the power of the US military
with a pee-shooter in the garage because of the 2nd amendement.
I´m sure that shotgun will stand up well against the US military
arsenal. I can assure you it`s a pure delusion. Yeah, that makes
a lot of sense with a one-party US governmental system with an
wannabe dictator at the helm, who wants to rule by decree.
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