DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
Even Greener Pastures
HTML https://evengreener.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Books, Films and Series
*****************************************************
#Post#: 6914--------------------------------------------------
Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: SHL Date: September 27, 2018, 2:18 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
I don`t think this is a film known yet in Europe, but it hit the
US box offices last weekend. I didn’t see it because I`m not a
Michael Moore fan, which may surprise Neal and Jerry. I`m sure
they know of the film. I have my reason to be suspicious of him.
It`s roughly a critique of the Trump administration and sort of
a prediction of „the worst is yet to come“, and in the movie he
subtly draws comparison to Trump`s rise to power and Hitler`s.
It`s that sort of film. He doesn`t call Trump the next Hitler,
but he gets close and stops short. And, I have derived that from
Moore`s interviews, which have been posted on YouTube. He`s
fairly loud and clear about that. His Fahrenheit 9/11 and
Bowling for Columbine were a big hits for him years ago, but I
heard 11/9 is a flop.
But, what struck me about Moore were a few things I found
suspicious. One, he always runs around in clothes that look like
they came from the Goodwill (a poverty give-way store, like the
Salvation Army) and always wears a dirty old baseball cap, and
his quite overweight. His clothes are baggy and old. He even
appears on TV dressed like this. He clearly wants to project the
image of a manager of a WalMart in Flint, Michigan making 13.00$
an hour.
Then it dawned on me, with the success of all his movies, he
must be worth millions. There`s no way around that. I took a
guess and thought his net worth might be 10 million? Then online
I read he was worth 50 million. Also, that he flies around in
charted private business jets. Hum. Not exactly the humble
working man. Film producers like him are clearly not poor in the
US. Quite the contrary. He was on a TV show (I found on
YouTube) and he was cornered and asked about his 50 million and
I`d never seen him squirm and turn white-faced like this before.
He evaded the question, multiple times, and said he only owned a
house in Michigan and I think a condo in Tennessee or someplace.
When asked about the private business jets, he dodged that
question or said something like, „well I have to go places
sometimes at the last minute“. Wow. What a difference from the
person he plays in his films. He went to some meeting (again I
saw on YouTube talking about the 1% of all the people who have
all the money in the US and the rest of „us“, including himself,
said had to vie for the crumbs. But, on his way out, some young
guy yelled at him „But hey, Michael! What about your 50
million? You`re in the upper 1% yourself. How’s it going with
the private business jets?!“ He totally ignored the comments and
walked away.
Just curious what anyone, especially Jerry and Neal think of
this guy.
#Post#: 6916--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: Aliph Date: September 27, 2018, 2:59 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
The film will come to Europe only in November. I am not a fan
either of M.M. I also find peculiar his way of dressing himself
like if he was buying clothes at a Salvation Army Shop. He wants
to play the simple guy but it looks fake.
I think that his other films (Fahrenheit 9/11 and Bowling for
Columbine) even if they brought some unusual material were
manipulating the feelings of the spectators. I can’t explain it
exactly since it’s quite a while since I saw them. But I
remember I felt confused and fascinated at the same time.
I read an interview of him in the French Huffington Post. I
found him pretentious. He think his film will influence the
Midterm elections and finally bring down Trump.
About his wealth, I don’t know. I doubt that he is so rich,
independent movie makers usually invest what they earned in the
next project.
But I will go to the movies to see his new film. It is always a
good conversation subject at dinner parties.
#Post#: 6997--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: NealC Date: September 29, 2018, 5:08 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Michael Moore, what can you say?
The fact that he is rich is the liberal muckraker's dilemma, I
remember an old Bloom County cartoon about it from the early
'80s and the Reagan tax cuts. And the plane? MM doesn't give a
sh-it about global warming, he just hangs out with those who do
if they further his political agenda.
The whole "gotcha journalism" can be fun to watch for a while
but it grows old fast. Everybody has a place where they are
vulnerable to such questions, and the camera behind him
intimidates his opponents. Not Moore personally. If Mike
Wallace was after me I would be afraid, he has journalistic
principles. Moore I would just give him back his trash, I am
sure those who do are just edited from the movie.
Watching the movies, and I have tried to rewatch them over the
past few weeks, he uses the worst sort of statistics, misleading
statements, half truths, and outright lies interspersed with
imaginative stunts and gotcha interviews. He gives no real
answers or workable solutions, and when I think about how some
of his proposals could be implemented I can only see it in terms
of incredible and oppressive government action.
I am sympathetic to some of his questions, with Trump in charge
I think his answers will become more unbalanced.
#Post#: 6998--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: NealC Date: September 29, 2018, 5:10 am
---------------------------------------------------------
I think this article does a good job describing why MM has lost
his appeal:
HTML https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/fahrenheit-11-9-michael-moore-flop-box-office-documentary-1202006359/
#Post#: 8424--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: Aliph Date: October 27, 2018, 3:15 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Yesterday evening I saw Fahrenheit 11/9. I learned about events
that I didn’t know. I don’t whatch TV and my political interests
don’t focus on the United States.
Here the three events that I didn’t know:
1) the story of the water crisis in Flint is just unbelievable
2) the movement of the teachers who mobilized themselves against
low salaries and the imposition of a bracelet that monitored
their physical activities. The solidarity of the teachers with
the school bus drivers and the cafeteria personnel
3) the movement of the high school kids who organized themselves
to protest against the rifle lobbies after a shooting in one of
their school.
So I didn’t regret having gone to the movies to see this film.
#Post#: 8426--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: Aliph Date: October 27, 2018, 5:05 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=NealC link=topic=475.msg6998#msg6998
date=1538215855]
I think this article does a good job describing why MM has lost
his appeal:
HTML https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/fahrenheit-11-9-michael-moore-flop-box-office-documentary-1202006359/
[/quote]
Interesting article, though I do not have all the clues about
American politics to understand all nuances.
I like this quote from the article “The film’s raison d’etre is
President Trump. Sentient Americans get more exposure to him in
a month than past presidents did in a year; going out to pay and
see more of him might seem a bridge too far.”
As for me, a european who never watches TV but reads a lot of
daily newspapers the exposure to the face of Trump during the
film was a bit excessive.
As for the way MM presents himself (the hobo look we discussed
previously) I think it became his distinctive trademark. If he
would clean up and dress like SHL I presume dresses for going to
court, nobody would recognize him.
#Post#: 8435--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: SHL Date: October 27, 2018, 1:34 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
I did see MM dress up (wear a shirt and tie) for a TV interview
once, but the hobo attire is part of the persona he wants to
portray. He wants to appear to be the average poor man on the
street. That’s his normal dress on TV interviews too.
The obvious irony is he’s the polar opposite. With his
successful filmmaker career it’s obvious he’s worth millions.
The report is 50 million.
#Post#: 8439--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: Aliph Date: October 27, 2018, 5:05 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
@SHL totally off topic, when you go to a tribunal to plead do
you wear a gown like the one shown in the link below? Here it is
compulsory and it is worn over a black suit, quite warm, made of
wool. Very expensive. Young lawyers go to France to buy it
because it is cheaper.
HTML https://www.le-plaideur.com/produit/la-classique/
#Post#: 8440--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: Truman Overby Date: October 27, 2018, 5:24 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Sofia link=topic=475.msg8439#msg8439
date=1540677905]
@SHL totally off topic, when you go to a tribunal to plead do
you wear a gown like the one shown in the link below? Here it is
compulsory and it is worn over a black suit, quite warm, made of
wool. Very expensive. Young lawyers go to France to buy it
because it is cheaper.
HTML https://www.le-plaideur.com/produit/la-classique/
[/quote]
He wears the heels and a Brooks Brothers suit.
#Post#: 8441--------------------------------------------------
Re: Michael Moore`s Film Fahernheit 11/9
By: NealC Date: October 27, 2018, 6:05 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
And a powdered wig.
Not because he has to, just because he likes that sort of thing.
*****************************************************