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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: SHL Date: August 16, 2018, 6:30 pm
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@Pasha and King
Yes, I saw that redneck ignorant NRA fool before on Italki I
think. I can understand him just fine, because I`ve heard these
idiots all my life talking like this. I`d probably say he`s from
rural Texas, maybe Arkansas, and is as dumb as a post and has
never even been outside of the US in his entire life. He
probably couldn`t even find Europe on a map if you asked him to
point it out.
This is just a classic example of NRA propaganda. It`s designed
to appeal to rednecks from rural Middle America who are just gun
lovers and brainless. The guy I saw, who I mentioned, was much
younger, maybe in his 20s, but when he`s 50 I`m sure he`ll
resemble this lunatic in the clip. These people usually have no
college education, only high school, which is the equivalent of
ending school at about 12 in Europe, and they get this sort of
false sense of independence and power by owning a stockpile of
guns and ammunition, which they normally don’t use for anything
more than shooting holes in pieces of paper at a gun range
someplace, and then they hang out at cowboy bars with other
people like them, and talk about how tough they are because of
all the guns they have. They have none of the power they think
they have and actually, I bet if you checked, very few or none
have ever even served in the military. In fact, most people I
have met who actually did serve in the military actually hate
guns. These rednecks are not really much of a threat because
they are disorganized and just really powerless blowhards. Just
big mouths with puffed up egos because of the stockpile of guns
and ammo they have. They`re just an embarassment. I wouldn`t
even accept a client like this. I would make an excuse to turn
him away or send him to someone else because I frankly wouldn`t
be able to stand being around a guy like this. Talking about
„wrestling gators in Louisiana“ or whatever. What a nutcase. And
what was all that other nonsense he was yapping about, people in
middle America growing their own corn, or something equally
meaningless and goofy, and they`re so proud because of it? It´s
so stupid when I hear this garbage in goes in one ear and out
the other. I`d rather not have their senseless palaver in my
brain too long.
I could barely understand the Japanese guy, but he`s right about
the „culture“ of the US telling overweight women how great they
look and everything we know to be untrue. It`s part of the
fantasyland world they build for themselves to live in because
their lives are so lacking in culture and knowledge of the world
outside the US. It`s not too unlike the Mr. NRA Superman.
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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: NealC Date: August 16, 2018, 6:42 pm
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The "redneck ignorant NRA fool" is Charlie Daniels. Hell of a
fiddle player. Doesn't like Iran much. He is from North
Carolina. Which is pretty far from Texas.
HTML https://youtu.be/wBjPAqmnvGA
To get to the fiddlin, skip to 2:33
Charlie never served in the military, as he was too young when
the democrats involved us in Korea (which a Republican ended),
and a little too old when the democrats involved us in Vietnam
(also ended by a Republican).
Just helping with the facts.
You may continue.
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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: SHL Date: August 16, 2018, 9:23 pm
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Actually, after my last post I started to wonder if this video
was really a pro-NRA piece or a just a parody, which was
actually made by anti-NRA people, because it embraces every
negative caricature about pro-NRA/gun rights people there is.
Since NealC mentioned it was Charlie Daniels in the clip, which
I noticed myself, I suppose it probably is real (I don’t care
for Daniels`style of music so I didn’t pay any attention to
him).
See how dumb the pro-gun lobby is? If I wanted to produce a
pro-NRA piece (which I would never do, since I am against the
NRA and believe all guns should be banned for all purposes) it
wouldn’t be that hard to do. As a lawyer I`m sort of trained how
to put the best spin on difficult situations or hard-to-defend
positions. I`m surprised the NRA, with all its money and
supporters, couldn`t hire an expensive Wall Street advertising
firm to put together a real propaganda piece that would look,
superficially better. Think about it. They don’t need to win
over the support of people like Charlie Daniels or those of his
ilk. They’ve got them already. They need to win over the support
of the opponents. If the NRA hired me to organize a propaganda
piece (again, which I`d never do because I oppose them on moral
grounds) here’s what I`d do. I`d film an attractive young,
well-educated couple in their early 30s with maybe two young
children by their side, ages 6 and maybe 8. I`d have them seated
in a luxurious home on the sofa, with a view out the window of
the ocean, and they`d speak clearly and intelligently and be on
the West Coast somewhere (maybe Washington or Oregon). They`d
introduce themselves as responsible gun owners who owned a
couple of guns out of concern for the safety of their children,
however, they kept them in locked boxes or a gun safe to which
only the mom and dad had keys. They`d explain in a calm voice
that the guns are hidden from the children and out of reach, and
that the kids don`t even know what the guns looked like or where
they were. The ammo would be kept, according to the couple,
separate from the guns in a locked container, also hidden from
the kids. They`d explain they felt safer with the guns, because
they lived quite a ways from the local police station and were
afraid of brake-ins, again for their kids`sake. They`d say they
took gun safety courses before acquiring the guns, and kept
current on gun safety and use by going to a licensed and
supervised gun range once a month. The kids would never be
allowed to even see the guns at anytime.
If you really wanted to spice it up, you`d throw in, as a
sideline, that the couple met while finishing their PhD`s in
molecular and cellular biology at a University and now work for
a large pharmaceutical company or some company doing research
into human genetics. You might also toss in that they just
returned from their vacation, this year, to Paris, and that they
both speak French fluently and maybe one or two other European
languages other than English. They’d say they understood how
Europeans felt otherwise about guns, but for them owning a gun
or guns was the right decision because of their distance from
local police, the slow response time they`d anticipate from
police if they needed help to protect themselves and their
children, and that in balancing the pros and cons, they decided
having a gun in the home, as long as it was kept out of reach of
the children, made sense to them. You might even have wife or
husband say one or the other was on heart medication, but they
kept their prescription pills in a childproof container and out
of the reach of the kids, just like the guns.
Then you might fade out the scene with a faint „We are the NRA“
statement with an attactive and redesigned logo.
See how much better than would come across? But, the Charlie
Daniels video does the direct opposite by portraying every
negative stereotype about the gun-totin redneck from the South
or Texas. It turns people more off to the idea of gun ownership
than in favor of it.
At the moment I represent a guy who owns a gun and the other
lawyer in the case is trying to tell the Judge the guy is
leaving it around the house endangering his 5 year old daughter.
It`s not true, so I`ve argued to the Judge that he keeps it in a
locked container separate from the ammo in a place that is out
of the child`s reach, and that the only reason he even has it is
because his to-be-ex wife`s boyfriend has threaded his life.
So, yeah. I can easily make these arguments, even though I
personally oppose gun ownership. You just have to be smart about
how you argue things. It`s not that hard to do.
Now, the downside to all of this is that, an unloaded gun in a
locked box, and ammo in a separately locked box, is highly
unlikely to be of any use to these people in the event of a real
break in. The home safety argument is only really valid if you
could keep a loaded gun in quick reach in your home at all
times. You`d need fast access to it, otherwise what good is it?
So, in a pro-NRA propaganda piece you`d have to gloss over this
obvious fact and not mention it and hope no one noticed. As to
the reference to Iran, I wouldn`t touch it. It`s totally
irrelevant to the issue of internal US civilian gun ownership
and is obviously nothing but a cheap emotional appeal that
serves no purpose anyway.
It`s hard to believe pro-gun people could even produce a video
like that and be serious about it. It has, as I said, quite the
opposite effect on the listener who is an NRA opponent. I guess
an easy way of looking at it would be to say in the video, the
NRA was just preaching to the choir.
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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: NealC Date: August 16, 2018, 10:17 pm
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I think they roll out Charlie just for "preaching to the choir"
or "rousing the troops". This isn't a public outreach
commercial unless it was designed for a specific audience, like
it played as a commercial during a hunting/fishing show. The
NRA has plenty of slick Madison ave ads for outreach.
I do disagree about the children, the way to get children to
respect guns is thru supervised handling and instruction, not by
hiding it from them. If you have guns the kids are going to
find them - didn't you find pretty much everything you parents
tried to hide in the house? I know I did.
Personally I think gun safety courses are important and should
be mandatory for children. I almost blew my friend's head off
when we found his father's hidden shotgun in the garage at 11
years old. You might not own a gun, but you might be neighbors
with the Daniels family.
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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: SHL Date: August 16, 2018, 11:30 pm
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@NealC
Teaching a child about guns through a „gun safety course?“ You
have got to be kidding. And at what age are they supposed to
start this fantastic „course“, 10?
I`ll tell you what. THAT argument would be a total loser in a
California court, like the case I`m on right now. Seriously,
Neal I do have to wonder what Universe you’re living in some of
the time. I tell you what. If I had told that Judge not to
worry, oh my client took his 5-year daughter to a „gun safety
course“ she`d have looked at me like I was out of my mind, or on
LSD. My client would not have his daughter at the moment if I
had tried to argue that loser of an argument. But, I won and
she`s with him now (most of the time) because I made the locked
gun box/hidden argument. And he was VERY appreciative of me and
my courtroom talents. Oh, wouldn`t her screwball lawyer (and he
IS a screwball, btw) have just loved me to say that little gem
of wisdom?
I`ll keep that bit of advice in mind, Neal. A gun safety course.
Brilliant, that way I`ll get more work when Child Protective
Services (CPS) comes along and takes his kid away.
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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: NealC Date: August 16, 2018, 11:53 pm
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You see? That is where the NRA comes in handy! They have a gun
safety course aimed at grammar school age kids, including
workbooks and cartoons!
Really Steven it is common sense. Kids can find guns that
adults either do not store properly or maybe they come across a
weapon used in a crime, like my brother did once. The program
for young kids is simple: stop, don't touch, run away, tell a
grown up. For older kids it gets more involved - treat every
gun as if loaded, fingers off triggers, Never point it at people
etc...
All the policemen I know de-mystify gun ownership by having
their children handle the unloaded weapon with careful
supervision. They all tell their kids if you ever want to see
the gun, just ask me to help you.
I'm sure your clients pay you for whatever mental gymnastics you
have to do to advance their case, but gun safety training
remains a good idea.
At least in the rest of the country.
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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: NealC Date: August 16, 2018, 11:58 pm
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And hidden is just dumb. That ain't gonna work with any kid
worth his salt.
Lock it up, yes. Put it someplace safe, sure. But gun safety
training is still a big part of the equation.
You missed it counselor. Too bad you're too much of a commie to
hire an assistant. They might have pointed it out to you.
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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: SHL Date: August 17, 2018, 12:17 am
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@NealC
Too much of a commie, huh? You won`t confess it, but I still
suspect you have employees or something.
Well, my „mental gymnastics“ saved the day for my client. Your
argument would have been a dead bang loser. You can`t train kids
about gun safety. That´s ridiculous. Come on. Your argument
sounds like this. Remember the old All in the Family TV series?
Typical Queens NY type person I suppose, Archie. When they
started screening on airliners for guns, there was a scene where
he said „There`s no need for metal detectors. Just pass out
pistols to every passenger who gets on the plane. That way no
one`s going to pull out a gun and try to pull a hijacking.“
Of course, the logic of that got a good laugh, but it sounds
just like your logic. Teach kids about guns, because God-forbid
we ban them. You can`t trust kids like that. It`s silly.
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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: NealC Date: August 17, 2018, 12:27 am
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I do remember that episode, and I do remember laughing back in
1972? 1974? when I first saw it. Got a good chuckle just now
too.
I never hid the fact that I have employees, who do you think set
up at Gen Con while I was holding the fort back in NY? People
love working for me.
Well this is my 400th post, good to waste it on your continued
education. I am home (sick theoretically) and 3 hours ahead of
you so I am off to bed.
You should rest, your stupid clients might need you in the
morning.
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Re: Trolls, shitposting, irresponsible users, lazy admin, permis
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By: SHL Date: August 17, 2018, 11:59 am
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@Neal, well about half of my clients are dummies, I must say,
but some are ok, like the guy with the gun whom I saved. But, if
the dumb ones pay their bills and are nice, It´s okay with me.
And you had something to do with that GenCon silliness? That`s
contibuting to the delinquency of minors in my book, or their
brainlessness. And, people love working for you? That`s an
interesting claim. Probably minimum wage and no overtime pay or
benefits. You Don`t seem like you`ll full of the milk of human
kindness to me, so I`m sure I can see that. Stealing their
surplus value should make you ashamed of yourself.
And, you never sent 400 posts? No you didn`t. I know you're
learning form me, so I do have to give you credit for that. You
do need to pay attention to my wisdom and thorough knowledge of
the world and political theory. I can understand that, so I`m
glad I can perform this public service to you. And you
contributing to my education? About gun classes for
kindergartens? That was enlightening.
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