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       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: KingSlayer
       Date: August 7, 2018, 6:06 am
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       --- Quote from: NealC link ---
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       > Different prize same name!  :-)
       >
  HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Noble_Prize
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       > Amazing the first name being the same as well.
       > Third paragraph.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       They're different people too. Interesting. The American engineer
       Alfred Noble and the Swedish scientist Alfred Nobel.
       #Post#: 4747--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: NealC
       Date: August 7, 2018, 6:15 am
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       Well feel free to go for both.
       I am off, got to get to my Analytic Trigonometry class
  HTML https://www.pct.edu/catalog/courses/mth182
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       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: KingSlayer
       Date: August 7, 2018, 6:17 am
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       --- Quote from: NealC link ---
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       > Well feel free to go for both.
       > I am off, got to get to my Analytic Trigonometry class
       >
       >
  HTML https://www.pct.edu/catalog/courses/mth182
       >
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       Don't forget to point out to the professor at the beginning of
       the class that Analaytic Trigonometry is a made up title and
       does not exist.
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       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: NealC
       Date: August 7, 2018, 6:24 am
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       I'll be sure to use you as a source!
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       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: KingSlayer
       Date: August 7, 2018, 6:28 am
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       --- Quote from: NealC link ---
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       > I'll be sure to use you as a source!
       >
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       No, then your arguments would sound irrational like Alharacas's.
       I suggest you to tell him that Wikipedia does not have a page
       for Analytic Trigonometry and since Wikipedia is like the
       ultimate actual and factual and super duper source, Analytic
       Trigonometry does not exist. You may even get additional points
       for proving your professor wrong, or get kicked out of the
       class.
       #Post#: 4754--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: NealC
       Date: August 7, 2018, 6:36 am
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       It does now :-)
       You have to love Wikipedia
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       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: KingSlayer
       Date: August 7, 2018, 6:38 am
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       --- Quote from: NealC link ---
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       > It does now :-)
       > You have to love Wikipedia
       >
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       Where? It didn't show up in search. Maybe your new page is
       awaiting approval by moderators or something? :P
       #Post#: 4756--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: Aliph
       Date: August 7, 2018, 7:22 am
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       Religions are confusing. Try to figure out what the differences
       are between the dozens of Christian churches in Lebanon. I grew
       up in a catholic culture and cannot understand the difference
       between Maronites and Armenian Catholics who both obey to the
       Pope in Rome.
       What you are discussing here, copying and pasting Wikipedia, is
       surely interesting but misses the main point.
       What is the POLITICAL background? That’s the real question!
       I do not know all the subtle differences between Turkish Alevis
       and the religion of the kinship of Bashar al Assad. The Turkish
       followers of Ali must have their own political agenda against
       Erdogan . Actually I think that the Assads don’t give a damn
       about religion. Power is the only thing that interest them.
       Syria’s Alawites were considered more progressive than Sunnis
       since the Assad regime (father and son) gave protection to the
       Christian minority before the civil war and Ba’athism at the
       beginning seemed vaguely liberal. Iran clerics didn’t wait to
       accept the Syrian Alawites as Shi’as. Khomeini recognized them
       right away. The US intervention in Iraq disrupted the Sunni
       minority hegemony and opened the path to Shi’a revival in power
       in the neighboring country.
       Iran didn’t intervene in Syria for religious reasons but to
       counter the influence of the other regional superpowers which
       have a vision of Islam which is more than retrograde despite
       their love for almost everything that comes from the US and is
       accessible with petrodollars. So Syria was reduced to shambles.
       I do not say that it is Iran’s fault. Assad could have accepted
       some reforms instead of smashing everybody in prison. He opened
       up a war by proxy fueled by Saudi Arabia and others. The same is
       happening now in Yemen . And last but not least, the access to
       the Mediterranean Sea through the naval base of Latakia was
       surely something that attracted the support of the Iranian
       regime for the clique of Assad.
       In French there is a saying “choisir entre la peste et le
       choléra » (to choose between plague and cholera) it describes an
       impossible situation where you do not have a choice. How do you
       choose (if you are culturally Christian or atheist ) between the
       Assad regime or the Sunni majority in Syria? And the Kurds? In
       Syria and Iraq they helped to get rid of so called Islamic State
       But sooner or later they will be damaged once again and their
       aspiration annihilated.
       #Post#: 4757--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: KingSlayer
       Date: August 7, 2018, 7:50 am
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       --- Quote from: Alpha link ---
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       > Religions are such a mess. Try to figure out what the
       differences are between the dozens of Christian churches in
       Lebanon. I grew up in a catholic culture and cannot understand
       the difference between Maronites and Armenian Catholics who both
       obey to the Pope in Rome.
       >
       > What you are discussing here, copying and pasting Wikipedia,
       is surely interesting but misses the main point.
       >
       > What is the POLITICAL background? That’s the real question!
       >
       > I do not know all the subtle differences between Turkish
       Alevis and the religion of the kinship of Bashar al Assad. The
       Turkish followers of Ali must have their own political agenda
       against Erdogan . Actually I think that the Assads don’t give a
       damn about religion. Power is the only thing that interest them.
       > Syria’s Alawites were considered more progressive than Sunnis
       since the Assad regime (father and son) gave protection to the
       Christian minority before the civil war and Ba’athism at the
       beginning seemed vaguely liberal. Iran clerics didn’t wait to
       qualify the Syrian Alawites as Shi’as. Khomeini recognized them
       right away. The US intervention in Iraq disrupted the Sunni
       minority hegemony and opened the path to Shi’a revival in power
       in the neighboring country.
       > Iran didn’t intervene in Syria for religious reasons but to
       counter the influence of the other regional superpowers which
       have a vision of Islam which is quite retrograde despite their
       love for almost everything that comes from the US. So Syria was
       reduced to shambles. I do not say that it is Iran’s fault. Assad
       could have accepted some reforms instead of smashing everybody
       in prison. He opened up a war by proxy. The same is happening
       now in Yemen . And last but not least, the access to the
       Mediterranean Sea through the naval base of Latakia was surely
       something that attracted the support of the Iranian regime for
       the clique of Assad.
       > In French there is a saying “choisir entre la peste et le
       choléra » (to choose between plague and cholera) it describes an
       impossible situation where you do not have a choice. How do you
       choose (if you are culturally Christian or atheist ) between the
       Assad regime or the Sunni majority in Syria? And the Kurds? In
       Syria and Iraq they helped to get rid of so called Islamic State
       But sooner or later they will be damaged once again and their
       aspiration annihilated.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I think you're also missing the point. We were discussing the
       creation of Shi'ite ideology during the Safavid empire.
       Something that happened in the early 16th century. 5 centuries
       ago. Of course, it has had consequences that have lasted until
       now and the situation is in many ways similar to back then, but
       I think Alharacas was discussing the issue from a historical and
       cultural perspective.
       You are also wrong that "Iran qualified Alawites as Shi'ite".
       They are Shi'ite for the reasons I explained before. And this is
       pretty much why many of them are loyal to Iran. Shi'ite people
       have always been a suppressed minority in the Islamic world.
       Hence, when Iran extended a helping hand, they shook Iran's hand
       warmly. However, Iran-Syria relations post 1979 revolution are
       not only restricted to the recent events. Hafiz Assad, and later
       Bashar Assad, as you pointed out, are members of the Baath
       party. The Baath party was and still is a secular party. Iraq
       under the rule of Saddam Hussein was also a country ruled by the
       Baathists. However, Hafiz Assad and Saddam Hussein, despite
       following the same Arab party, didn't have the best relations.
       Hence, Syria sided with Iran during the Iraq-Iran war. Even the
       Palestinians that Iran supported against Israel sided with Iraq
       in the war, but Syria and Algeria supported Iran. And Lebanon
       chose to remain neutral. Syria supported Iran because of the
       rivalry between two dictators from the same party with competing
       interests, and the fact that they were already in de facto war
       with Israel over Golan heights, and Algeria sided with Iran
       because Algeria is a liberal Arab country who doesn't like to
       bow down to the opinion of the rest of the Arab League.
       When the riots against Assad in Syria started, it soon started
       to turn violent. Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar, backed by
       Israel and the United States, saw an opportunity to overthrow
       Iran's main ally in the Mediterranean region and disable "The
       Shia Crescent". It soon became a sectarian war when extremist
       elements started chanting "Christians should go to Lebanon,
       Shi'ite people will go to coffins". Normally, Iran had to
       intervene to protect her own interests in the Mediterranean
       region and protect Shi'ite people from being massacred again.
       The war in Yemen also has strategic value because it secures our
       interests in the Red Sea and Bab-el-Mendeb. Nearly two thirds of
       the world's oil exports from the Persian Gulf countries are
       exported via the Strait of Hormuz and Bab-el-Mendeb. Iran has
       control over the Strait of Hormuz, and it wants to gain more
       control over Bab-el-Mendeb as a lever against a possible all-out
       war against Iran in future.
       Most of this stuff are off-topic though.
       #Post#: 4758--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
   DIR By: Aliph
       Date: August 7, 2018, 8:31 am
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       KS yes I am off topic, but not completely. Alharacas  tries to
       understand what Turkish Alevism is, since she has some students
       who adhere to this religion. What happened five centuries ago
       has surely an impact but doesn’t explain everything. You seem to
       need to always write like if you were the only person knowing
       the absolute truth.
       Relax Max!
       I am convinced that there are differences between the different
       brands of followers of Ali. Like there are so many differences
       among the Christian churches in the Middle East. You can search
       for that also on Wikipedia.
       Are you sure that you want to work for the Mossad? I do not know
       how the Iranian counterparts are called for which you work. Is
       it the Vevak وزارت
       اطلاعات?
       You say that Iran must look to defend its interests in the
       Mediterranean....that’s shocking. In Lebanon you have a truly
       Shi’a party, the one led by that guy which is unable to
       pronounce correctly the R and says L instead. I do not write his
       name since he is on the list of the “bad guys”. He is the chief
       of the party of God. They usually bread 5 children pro family.
       They soon will be the majority in Lebanon. No need to throw the
       Christians to the sea, they leave by themselves, unfortunately.
       You make me laugh about Algeria. Did you forget their civil war?
       As for the Palestinian they were duped by everybody, from the
       Britts to their Arab “friends”.
       Concerning off topics, it seems to me that it is allowed on this
       forum. There are no TOS against it.
       Sorry Alharacas if I disturbed your friendly discussion with KS
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