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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: KingSlayer
Date: August 7, 2018, 6:06 am
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--- Quote from: NealC link ---
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> Different prize same name! :-)
>
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Noble_Prize
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> Amazing the first name being the same as well.
> Third paragraph.
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They're different people too. Interesting. The American engineer
Alfred Noble and the Swedish scientist Alfred Nobel.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: NealC
Date: August 7, 2018, 6:15 am
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Well feel free to go for both.
I am off, got to get to my Analytic Trigonometry class
HTML https://www.pct.edu/catalog/courses/mth182
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: KingSlayer
Date: August 7, 2018, 6:17 am
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> Well feel free to go for both.
> I am off, got to get to my Analytic Trigonometry class
>
>
HTML https://www.pct.edu/catalog/courses/mth182
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Don't forget to point out to the professor at the beginning of
the class that Analaytic Trigonometry is a made up title and
does not exist.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: NealC
Date: August 7, 2018, 6:24 am
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I'll be sure to use you as a source!
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: KingSlayer
Date: August 7, 2018, 6:28 am
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--- Quote from: NealC link ---
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> I'll be sure to use you as a source!
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No, then your arguments would sound irrational like Alharacas's.
I suggest you to tell him that Wikipedia does not have a page
for Analytic Trigonometry and since Wikipedia is like the
ultimate actual and factual and super duper source, Analytic
Trigonometry does not exist. You may even get additional points
for proving your professor wrong, or get kicked out of the
class.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: NealC
Date: August 7, 2018, 6:36 am
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It does now :-)
You have to love Wikipedia
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: KingSlayer
Date: August 7, 2018, 6:38 am
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--- Quote from: NealC link ---
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> It does now :-)
> You have to love Wikipedia
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Where? It didn't show up in search. Maybe your new page is
awaiting approval by moderators or something? :P
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: Aliph
Date: August 7, 2018, 7:22 am
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Religions are confusing. Try to figure out what the differences
are between the dozens of Christian churches in Lebanon. I grew
up in a catholic culture and cannot understand the difference
between Maronites and Armenian Catholics who both obey to the
Pope in Rome.
What you are discussing here, copying and pasting Wikipedia, is
surely interesting but misses the main point.
What is the POLITICAL background? That’s the real question!
I do not know all the subtle differences between Turkish Alevis
and the religion of the kinship of Bashar al Assad. The Turkish
followers of Ali must have their own political agenda against
Erdogan . Actually I think that the Assads don’t give a damn
about religion. Power is the only thing that interest them.
Syria’s Alawites were considered more progressive than Sunnis
since the Assad regime (father and son) gave protection to the
Christian minority before the civil war and Ba’athism at the
beginning seemed vaguely liberal. Iran clerics didn’t wait to
accept the Syrian Alawites as Shi’as. Khomeini recognized them
right away. The US intervention in Iraq disrupted the Sunni
minority hegemony and opened the path to Shi’a revival in power
in the neighboring country.
Iran didn’t intervene in Syria for religious reasons but to
counter the influence of the other regional superpowers which
have a vision of Islam which is more than retrograde despite
their love for almost everything that comes from the US and is
accessible with petrodollars. So Syria was reduced to shambles.
I do not say that it is Iran’s fault. Assad could have accepted
some reforms instead of smashing everybody in prison. He opened
up a war by proxy fueled by Saudi Arabia and others. The same is
happening now in Yemen . And last but not least, the access to
the Mediterranean Sea through the naval base of Latakia was
surely something that attracted the support of the Iranian
regime for the clique of Assad.
In French there is a saying “choisir entre la peste et le
choléra » (to choose between plague and cholera) it describes an
impossible situation where you do not have a choice. How do you
choose (if you are culturally Christian or atheist ) between the
Assad regime or the Sunni majority in Syria? And the Kurds? In
Syria and Iraq they helped to get rid of so called Islamic State
But sooner or later they will be damaged once again and their
aspiration annihilated.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: KingSlayer
Date: August 7, 2018, 7:50 am
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--- Quote from: Alpha link ---
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> Religions are such a mess. Try to figure out what the
differences are between the dozens of Christian churches in
Lebanon. I grew up in a catholic culture and cannot understand
the difference between Maronites and Armenian Catholics who both
obey to the Pope in Rome.
>
> What you are discussing here, copying and pasting Wikipedia,
is surely interesting but misses the main point.
>
> What is the POLITICAL background? That’s the real question!
>
> I do not know all the subtle differences between Turkish
Alevis and the religion of the kinship of Bashar al Assad. The
Turkish followers of Ali must have their own political agenda
against Erdogan . Actually I think that the Assads don’t give a
damn about religion. Power is the only thing that interest them.
> Syria’s Alawites were considered more progressive than Sunnis
since the Assad regime (father and son) gave protection to the
Christian minority before the civil war and Ba’athism at the
beginning seemed vaguely liberal. Iran clerics didn’t wait to
qualify the Syrian Alawites as Shi’as. Khomeini recognized them
right away. The US intervention in Iraq disrupted the Sunni
minority hegemony and opened the path to Shi’a revival in power
in the neighboring country.
> Iran didn’t intervene in Syria for religious reasons but to
counter the influence of the other regional superpowers which
have a vision of Islam which is quite retrograde despite their
love for almost everything that comes from the US. So Syria was
reduced to shambles. I do not say that it is Iran’s fault. Assad
could have accepted some reforms instead of smashing everybody
in prison. He opened up a war by proxy. The same is happening
now in Yemen . And last but not least, the access to the
Mediterranean Sea through the naval base of Latakia was surely
something that attracted the support of the Iranian regime for
the clique of Assad.
> In French there is a saying “choisir entre la peste et le
choléra » (to choose between plague and cholera) it describes an
impossible situation where you do not have a choice. How do you
choose (if you are culturally Christian or atheist ) between the
Assad regime or the Sunni majority in Syria? And the Kurds? In
Syria and Iraq they helped to get rid of so called Islamic State
But sooner or later they will be damaged once again and their
aspiration annihilated.
>
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I think you're also missing the point. We were discussing the
creation of Shi'ite ideology during the Safavid empire.
Something that happened in the early 16th century. 5 centuries
ago. Of course, it has had consequences that have lasted until
now and the situation is in many ways similar to back then, but
I think Alharacas was discussing the issue from a historical and
cultural perspective.
You are also wrong that "Iran qualified Alawites as Shi'ite".
They are Shi'ite for the reasons I explained before. And this is
pretty much why many of them are loyal to Iran. Shi'ite people
have always been a suppressed minority in the Islamic world.
Hence, when Iran extended a helping hand, they shook Iran's hand
warmly. However, Iran-Syria relations post 1979 revolution are
not only restricted to the recent events. Hafiz Assad, and later
Bashar Assad, as you pointed out, are members of the Baath
party. The Baath party was and still is a secular party. Iraq
under the rule of Saddam Hussein was also a country ruled by the
Baathists. However, Hafiz Assad and Saddam Hussein, despite
following the same Arab party, didn't have the best relations.
Hence, Syria sided with Iran during the Iraq-Iran war. Even the
Palestinians that Iran supported against Israel sided with Iraq
in the war, but Syria and Algeria supported Iran. And Lebanon
chose to remain neutral. Syria supported Iran because of the
rivalry between two dictators from the same party with competing
interests, and the fact that they were already in de facto war
with Israel over Golan heights, and Algeria sided with Iran
because Algeria is a liberal Arab country who doesn't like to
bow down to the opinion of the rest of the Arab League.
When the riots against Assad in Syria started, it soon started
to turn violent. Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar, backed by
Israel and the United States, saw an opportunity to overthrow
Iran's main ally in the Mediterranean region and disable "The
Shia Crescent". It soon became a sectarian war when extremist
elements started chanting "Christians should go to Lebanon,
Shi'ite people will go to coffins". Normally, Iran had to
intervene to protect her own interests in the Mediterranean
region and protect Shi'ite people from being massacred again.
The war in Yemen also has strategic value because it secures our
interests in the Red Sea and Bab-el-Mendeb. Nearly two thirds of
the world's oil exports from the Persian Gulf countries are
exported via the Strait of Hormuz and Bab-el-Mendeb. Iran has
control over the Strait of Hormuz, and it wants to gain more
control over Bab-el-Mendeb as a lever against a possible all-out
war against Iran in future.
Most of this stuff are off-topic though.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: Aliph
Date: August 7, 2018, 8:31 am
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KS yes I am off topic, but not completely. Alharacas tries to
understand what Turkish Alevism is, since she has some students
who adhere to this religion. What happened five centuries ago
has surely an impact but doesn’t explain everything. You seem to
need to always write like if you were the only person knowing
the absolute truth.
Relax Max!
I am convinced that there are differences between the different
brands of followers of Ali. Like there are so many differences
among the Christian churches in the Middle East. You can search
for that also on Wikipedia.
Are you sure that you want to work for the Mossad? I do not know
how the Iranian counterparts are called for which you work. Is
it the Vevak وزارت
اطلاعات?
You say that Iran must look to defend its interests in the
Mediterranean....that’s shocking. In Lebanon you have a truly
Shi’a party, the one led by that guy which is unable to
pronounce correctly the R and says L instead. I do not write his
name since he is on the list of the “bad guys”. He is the chief
of the party of God. They usually bread 5 children pro family.
They soon will be the majority in Lebanon. No need to throw the
Christians to the sea, they leave by themselves, unfortunately.
You make me laugh about Algeria. Did you forget their civil war?
As for the Palestinian they were duped by everybody, from the
Britts to their Arab “friends”.
Concerning off topics, it seems to me that it is allowed on this
forum. There are no TOS against it.
Sorry Alharacas if I disturbed your friendly discussion with KS
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