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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: NealC
Date: August 5, 2018, 6:11 pm
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--- Quote from: Scicolone link ---
>
> And what is funny, the more a couple has intercourse the more
the chance is high that they will have a daughter! :D
>
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Ok, not to be purient, but how does that work?
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: Aliph
Date: August 6, 2018, 5:43 pm
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--- Quote from: NealC link ---
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> [quote author=Scicolone link=topic=372.msg4623#msg4623
date=1533503534]
> And what is funny, the more a couple has intercourse the more
the chance is high that they will have a daughter! :D
>
--- End Quote ---
Ok, not to be purient, but how does that work?
[/quote]
It’s a long story. To make it short:
1) the spermatozoa are of two kinds, the ones who will produce a
male embryo once they have merged with an ovule and the ones who
will give life to a female embryo
2) the first type are faster, better swimmers but they are less
resistant than the second ones.
3) so if the future parents have a lot of intercourse
statistically there will be more of the spermatozoa available of
the kind that make girls. Spermatozoa that make girls can
survive at least one day or maybe more inside the body of the
woman.
4) if you want a boy, be abstinent before the woman ovulates and
have intercourse immediately when she ovulates. The fast
swimming spermatozoa will arrive first and there will be no
“girlsmaking”spermatozoa on the spot.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: NealC
Date: August 6, 2018, 5:54 pm
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We followed a book with similar recommendations to plan the sex
of our second child. The book promised to bring your odds from
50/50 to 80/20.
My brother the doctor was rather skeptical but it worked for us;
my daughter was born in 1994 :-)
Reminds me of a joke - bit risque so you may want to skip it :-)
3 women (one of them blonde) were sitting in the waiting room of
their Ob/Gyn doctor. The first woman says:
"We conceived in the male superior position so we are going to
have a boy!"
Second woman says:
"We conceived in the female superior position so we are going to
have a girl!"
Both women look at the third woman (the blonde) who says:
"Well I guess we're having puppies!"
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: KingSlayer
Date: August 6, 2018, 6:02 pm
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--- Quote from: Alpha link ---
>
> It’s a long story. To make it short:
> 1) the spermatozoa are of two kinds, the ones who will produce
a male embryo once they have merged with an ovule and the ones
who will give life to a female embryo
> 2) the first type are faster, better swimmers but they are
less resistant than the second ones.
> 3) so if the future parents have a lot of intercourse
statistically there will be more of the spermatozoa available of
the kind that make girls. Spermatozoa that make girls can
survive at least one day or maybe more inside the body of the
woman.
> 4) if you want a boy, be abstinent before the woman ovulates
and have intercourse immediately when she ovulates. The fast
swimming spermatozoa will arrive first and there will be no
“girlsmaking”spermatozoa on the spot.
>
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My knowledge of biology is very rusty, but I doubt that there
are significant physiological differences between X and Y
sperms, except in the material of the 23rd chromosome. Here's
the abstract of an article indexed in Medline that explains the
source of confusion about what you said:
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> The widely held idea that spermatozoa bearing the Y chromosome
(Y sperm) swim faster than those bearing the X chromosome (X
sperm) seems to have originated from Shettles's work in 1960,
using phase-contrast microscopy.1 He claimed to have observed
“two distinct populations” of spermatozoa.1 After attempting to
count the chromosomes, he concluded that the smaller heads
contain the Y and the larger the X chromosome. There were no
intermediate types.1 The following year he reiterated these
findings, adding that smaller headed spermatozoa can migrate
more rapidly and fertilise the egg more often in the distal part
of the tube.2
>
> Reading Shettles's reports in Nature and other peer reviewed
journals, many researchers thereafter believed that Y sperm swim
faster than X sperm. The finding particularly influenced
research on sperm separation.
>
> Although several attempts have been made to correct this
impression, it was not until the development of computer
assisted sperm analysis (CASA)3 that reliable observations could
be made. So far, researchers have found no morphological
differences between human X sperm and Y sperm.4 Neither mature
sperm nor their precursors possess significant morphological
differences between X and Y genotypes4; and Y bull sperm do not
swim faster than X sperm.5
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: Aliph
Date: August 6, 2018, 6:11 pm
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You are right that this theory has been refuted afterwards. But
his book “how to choose the sex of your baby” is still a book
which has some editorial success. He was also a pioneer in in
vitro fertilization.
The sad reality nowadays is that male hypofertility is a big
problem among young men at least in developed countries. No time
to search on medline right now. But fertility is declining
probably due to environmental pollution.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: KingSlayer
Date: August 6, 2018, 6:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Alpha link ---
>
> You are right that this theory has been refuted afterwards.
But his book “how to choose the sex of your baby” is still a
book which has some editorial success. He was also a pioneer in
in vitro fertilization.
>
> The sad reality nowadays is that male hypofertility is a big
problem among young men at least in developed countries. No time
to search on medline right now. But fertility is declining
probably due to environmental pollution.
>
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If you're talking about Shettles, I'm sure he was a pioneer in
his field. He had published his article in Nature after all.
Do you have reliable statistics on that? I mean birth rate in
general is decreasing fast all over the world. It probably has
more to do with cultural and economical factors than
infertility. I'm not sure about that though. I have read in
newspapers that the high amount of hormones given to chickens
and other domestic animals that we use for food might cause
infertility. I have also heard conspiracy theories that it's a
population control tactic.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: Alharacas
Date: August 6, 2018, 6:22 pm
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Scicolone, maybe some of my students are Alevis (not to be
confused with Syrian Alawis/Alawites)? I wouldn't know because
religion is definitely not a subject I ask people about, but
Alevis make for a sizeable portion of the Turkish population
(about 15%, according to wikipedia) and I remember reading in a
longish German newspaper article that quite a lot of Turkish
immigrants in Germany are Alevis - and their ideas about
equality are a lot more palatable to Westerners.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevism#Position_of_women
As to names, ever since Atatürk, Turkey has been following the
same rules as Germany: up to three first names, then the surname
(no gender changes, not declined). Before Atatürk, there were no
surnames (except for the nobility), but men apparently sometimes
added their father's name, followed by -oğlu (son of).
And according to a law from 2014, women can simply keep their
own surname after marriage.
Interestingly, there are quite a lot of traditionally unisex
names, "Deniz" (sea) for one.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: KingSlayer
Date: August 6, 2018, 6:30 pm
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--- Quote from: Alharacas link ---
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> Scicolone, maybe some of my students are Alevis (not to be
confused with Syrian Alawis/Alawites)? I wouldn't know because
religion is definitely not a subject I ask people about, but
Alevis make for a sizeable portion of the Turkish population
(about 15%, according to wikipedia) and I remember reading in a
longish German newspaper article that quite a lot of Turkish
immigrants in Germany are Alevis - and their ideas about
equality are a lot more palatable to Westerners.
>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevism#Position_of_women
>
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Alevis are followers of Shi'ite Islam and I think there's no
difference between Alevism in Turkey or Alawites in Syria. Both
of them are followers of Shi'ite Islam. Some parts of Turkey and
Azerbaijan have a Shi'ite population because of being close to
Persia (Iran) and being a part of Persia during some periods of
history.
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: Alharacas
Date: August 6, 2018, 6:43 pm
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Dear KingSlayer, please have a look at the internet yourself,
see if you can find a source which says they are the same. I
can't, but on the other hand, I have no way of knowing what
would constitute an acceptable source from your point of view.
This is what wikipedia says:
Alevism (/æˈlɛvɪzəm/; Turkish: Alevîlik or
Turkish: Anadolu Alevîliği/Alevileri, also called
Qizilbash,[1] or Shī‘ah Imāmī-Tasawwufī
Ṭarīqah, or Shīʿah-ī
Bāṭen’īyyah)[2] is a syncretic,[3] heterodox,[4]
and local tradition,[5] whose adherents follow the mystical
(bāṭenī)[2] teachings of Ali, the Twelve Imams,
and a descendant—the 13th century Alevi saint Haji Bektash Veli.
Alevis are found primarily in Turkey among ethnic Turks and
Kurds,[6] and make up between 10-25% of Turkey's population, the
largest belief after Sunni Islam.[5][7]
After the death of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, a dispute arose
about his legitimate successor. The Islamic community was
divided into those who adhered to Ebu Bekr, named Sunnis, and
those who sided with Ali, called Shia. Concurrently, people who
sided with Ali were called Alevis, defined as "those who adore
to Ali and his family".[8] Therefore, some authors uses Shiism
synonymously with Alevism.[9] However, Alevism is not Shiism,
but affected by Shiism[9] and although they share some common
beliefs with the Twelver Shia, their rites and practises are
wholly different from Shiism.[8] The Almanya Alevi Birlilere
Federasyonu (German Alevi community) published a short
introduction of Alevism, as formed in Anatolia between the
thirteenth and sixteenth centuries.[10] Because Alevis
maintained their relationship with Pre-Islamic culture, they
differ from both traditional Sunnis and Iranian Shias; they do
not accept Sharia as the word of God.[11] Thus Alevism
incorporates Turkish beliefs present during the 14th century[8]
such as Shamanism, Animism and Manichaeism and later integrated
with Sunnism.[9] Some Iranian Shia schoolars claim, that Alevism
is actually Shia-Islam, however the genuine doctrine of
Twelver-Shia never spread through Anatolia, with the result the
Alevis were cut out from their own roots.[12]
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Re: Funny titbit about Turkish culture
DIR By: KingSlayer
Date: August 6, 2018, 6:54 pm
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--- Quote from: Alharacas link ---
>
> Dear KingSlayer, please have a look at the internet yourself,
see if you can find a source which says they are the same. I
can't, but on the other hand, I have no way of knowing what
would constitute an acceptable source from your point of view.
This is what wikipedia says:
> Alevism (/æˈlɛvɪzəm/; Turkish: Alevîlik or
Turkish: Anadolu Alevîliği/Alevileri, also called
Qizilbash,[1] or Shī‘ah Imāmī-Tasawwufī
Ṭarīqah, or Shīʿah-ī
Bāṭen’īyyah)[2] is a syncretic,[3] heterodox,[4]
and local tradition,[5] whose adherents follow the mystical
(bāṭenī)[2] teachings of Ali, the Twelve Imams,
and a descendant—the 13th century Alevi saint Haji Bektash Veli.
Alevis are found primarily in Turkey among ethnic Turks and
Kurds,[6] and make up between 10-25% of Turkey's population, the
largest belief after Sunni Islam.[5][7]
>
> After the death of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, a dispute
arose about his legitimate successor. The Islamic community was
divided into those who adhered to Ebu Bekr, named Sunnis, and
those who sided with Ali, called Shia. Concurrently, people who
sided with Ali were called Alevis, defined as "those who adore
to Ali and his family".[8] Therefore, some authors uses Shiism
synonymously with Alevism.[9] However, Alevism is not Shiism,
but affected by Shiism[9] and although they share some common
beliefs with the Twelver Shia, their rites and practises are
wholly different from Shiism.[8] The Almanya Alevi Birlilere
Federasyonu (German Alevi community) published a short
introduction of Alevism, as formed in Anatolia between the
thirteenth and sixteenth centuries.[10] Because Alevis
maintained their relationship with Pre-Islamic culture, they
differ from both traditional Sunnis and Iranian Shias; they do
not accept Sharia as the word of God.[11] Thus Alevism
incorporates Turkish beliefs present during the 14th century[8]
such as Shamanism, Animism and Manichaeism and later integrated
with Sunnism.[9] Some Iranian Shia schoolars claim, that Alevism
is actually Shia-Islam, however the genuine doctrine of
Twelver-Shia never spread through Anatolia, with the result the
Alevis were cut out from their own roots.[12]
>
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I do not need to find a source to know about this stuff lol
First of all, Sharia is part of Islam. It has nothing to do with
Shi'ite Islam or Sunni Islam or any other sects. Sharia also
exists in Judaism and some sources claim that it existed in
early Christianity too. Secondly, the only difference between
Shi'ite Islam and Sunni Islam is that Shi'ite people believe
that Ali should've become the caliphate after the death of
Muhammad, while Sunni people believe that Abu-bakr was rightly
chosen as the next Caliphate of Muslims after Muhammad died.
This is pretty much the main difference between Shi'ite Islam
and Sunni Islam. If you're a follower of Ali, then you're a
Shi'ite. Period.
And Manichaeism has little to do with any of this. Mani was an
Iranian prophet, a painter and a philosopher, who had a religion
during the Sassanid empire in Zoroastrian Persia. He barely
influenced any of this. He died long before Islam. Maybe three
centuries earlier, if I'm not mistaken.
Shi'ite ideology started right after the process of choosing the
next caliphate. It was later revived when Persia under the
Safavid rule declared Shi'ite Islam to be its official religion.
Since then, the Ottoman empire and the Safavid empire took
different paths. The Ottoman empire chose to spread Sunni Islam,
while the Safavids decided to spread Shi'ite Islam to give
Persia a new independent identity. That's all there's to it.
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