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Is your language stress-timed or syllabe- timed?
By: Aliph Date: June 26, 2018, 3:29 pm
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Found on italki and interesting discussion about the question of
isochrony in languages.
HTML https://www.italki.com/discussion/176286
How about your language?
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Re: Is your language stress-timed or syllabe- timed?
By: KingSlayer Date: June 26, 2018, 4:05 pm
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Persian is a stress-timed language.
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Re: Is your language stress-timed or syllabe- timed?
By: MartinSR Date: June 26, 2018, 5:20 pm
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I was never thinking about it... and it's hard to judge for me.
I tried to find an answer in the internet, but this topic almost
doesn't exist in Polish internet. I found only one website,
where they say that 'there is tendency to keep equal time
between stressed syllables'. But I hear that the rhythm of
speech is different in different parts (people from my region
speak less melodic way than than people from the East parts).
Interesting thing is that Polish is usually accented at the
second syllable from the end of the word (with little
exceptions). And I didn't noticed different length of syllables
in our everyday speech.
And I found this:
[quote]Within the space of canonical rhythm types, Polish has
been placed between stress- (Rubach and Booij 1985) and
syllable-timing (Hayes and Puppel 1985) and consequently, is
often described as “mixed” (Nespor 1990). [/quote]
in
HTML https://repozytorium.amu.edu.pl/bitstream/10593/8541/1/Malisz_doktorat.pdf
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Re: Is your language stress-timed or syllabe- timed?
By: Alharacas Date: June 28, 2018, 5:43 pm
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Apparently, German is stress-related.
Except that I found this:
HTML http://apcz.umk.pl/czasopisma//index.php/LinCop/article/viewFile/LinCop.2014.044/6329
While some of it went right over my head, several paragraphs
made a lot of sense to me:
"It also should be noted that there is a possibility
that languages do not fall into distinct classes but,
rather, are placed along a continuum ranging from
stress-timed to syllable-timed languages (Dauer 1987).
This assumption is confirmed by the existence of languages such
as Polish, which cannot be placed into one of the established
rhythmic categories because it displays characteristics of both
stress- and syllable-timing (Ramus et al. 1999). To reconcile
the rhythm class hypothesis with the possibility of rhythmic
continuum, Ramus et al. (2003) suggest that there are more
categories, with Polish belonging to a distinct rhythmic class."
And this:
"Furthermore, if phonetic correlates of rhythm are to be
found in the measurements of consonantal and vocalic
interval durations, then the prediction is that structurally
similar languages, and, especially dialects of the same
language, should not differ with respect to rhythmic
organization. Yet, it is not unusual for historically closely
related languages to have distinct rhythmic structures. For
instance, two Turkic languages, Uzbek and Turkish, belong to
stress-timed and syllable-timed classes, respectively (Sjoberg
1963, Lewis 1967). Similarly, in Italian and Portuguese, a pair
of two Romance languages with comparable syllable structure,
the former is described as syllable-timed, whereas the latter is
described as stress-timed (Major 1981, Farnetani and Kori
1990). Furthermore, distinct rhythmic types can be found in
different dialects of one language. Standard Russian, for
example, is a typical stress-timed language, whereas most of its
northern dialects have rhythmic characteristics of
syllable-timing (Kasatkin 2005: 25). Notably, the most salient
feature differentiating northern Russian dialects from
standard Russian is the absence of vowel reduction
(Avanesov and Orlova 1965)."
In other words, nice theory, but no cigar. ;)
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Re: Is your language stress-timed or syllabe- timed?
By: KingSlayer Date: June 28, 2018, 6:13 pm
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It turns out that Persian is not a stress-timed language or at
least there is no reputable source to verify that it is. In
fact, I have found some articles with conflicting information
about whether Persian is a stress-timed language or it's a
syllable-timed language. It's so sad that nobody in Iran pays
enough attention to theoretical linguistics. Such a shame!
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