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Antinatalism: did you ever hear anything about that?
By: Aliph Date: November 15, 2019, 11:37 am
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I never read or heard anything about this movement, until I met
somebody that was angry at his parents because they conceived
him. “I never asked to be born” he said. He thinks that it is
unethical to have children because they are going to suffer.
Life is full of pain, one never can be happy. Some philosophers
of the past had already a similar attitude about life, but they
never clearly stood up against the idea of human procreation.
Yesterday, I read in the Guardian that an Indian man was going
to sue his parents for the symbolic price of one rupee. He
thinks that they didn’t have the right to give him life.
Apparently this nihilistic point of view has having some revival
through a book by David Benatar, a mysterious South-African
professor of philosophy.
In the New Yorker I found the following article:
HTML https://www.newyorker.com/culture/persons-of-interest/the-case-for-not-being-born
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Re: Antinatalism: did you ever hear anything about that?
By: Chizuko hanji Date: November 17, 2019, 7:45 pm
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There is a temple near my house. It has a sign at its gate,
which says, "How dare do you think you can live easily? You
cried aloud when you were born because you knew this world was
hell. Mind it and live harder."
It is a Japanese common idea, Buddhism.
Then why do people have children? I think it is an individual
matter and we are not smart and forget our crying when birth.
Nowadays many people don't have babies. I think it is fine as
long as you don't get jealous in the future when you see an old
person shake the hands with his grandchildren. The current
society is not built by only each family but also by singles.
Giving birth or not, it is an individual matter. I don't think
it is a philosophy or religion either. Shortly, it is each
preference just like choosing bread or rice. And I have to say
that we have too many choices to live. The deeper we think, the
more complicated we live.
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Re: Antinatalism: did you ever hear anything about that?
By: NealC Date: November 18, 2019, 6:37 am
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I have heard of this before, although I did not realize it was
so organized an idea that there was a book about it and
professors who expound upon it.
I have NO doubt that our freedom to have children and raise them
as we see fit will ultimately be rescinded by the government for
"the greater good". It is just a matter of time.
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Re: Antinatalism: did you ever hear anything about that?
By: Chizuko hanji Date: November 18, 2019, 8:52 am
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I remember that we discussed this issue here on EGP. An Indian
young man sued his parents against his birth. Someone picked up
the article. I read the article on Italki too. It was quite a
famous news.
HTML https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47154287
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Re: Antinatalism: did you ever hear anything about that?
By: Chizuko hanji Date: November 18, 2019, 8:57 am
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Neal
[quote]I have NO doubt that our freedom to have children and
raise them as we see fit will ultimately be rescinded by the
government for "the greater good". It is just a matter of
time.[/quote]
I think so too. Besides, it has started. One politician has
urged young couples to have babies at least three kids.
HTML https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/05/30/national/politics-diplomacy/give-birth-least-three-kids-japan-ex-minister-fire-linking-single-women-low-birthrate/#.XdKy2lf7RPY
The other said LGPT are unproductive because they can't have
babies.
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/03/japanese-mp-mio-sugita-calls-lgbt-community-unproductive
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Re: Antinatalism: did you ever hear anything about that?
By: Chizuko hanji Date: November 18, 2019, 9:45 am
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I think this is individual decision, and I personaly want
children because I love family no matter how hard life is.
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Re: Antinatalism: did you ever hear anything about that?
By: SHL Date: November 18, 2019, 10:43 am
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It’s a fascinating philosophical topic. And one that has been
ignored too long. I’ve often said, and still believe, that
„Mother Nature“ or the impersonal forces of the universe, are
and have been far more cruel to humans than any human or group
of humans has ever been to one another. Yet we have to accept
it. There’s no enemy to identify. We constantly are forced to
fight nature with medical science (often unsuccessfully) and
technology.
And it’s a battle nature always seems to win.
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