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Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: Sepideh Date: September 7, 2019, 4:02 am
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Re: Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: Chizuko hanji Date: September 8, 2019, 6:35 am
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Steve Jobs.
The internet world has changed a lot of things from shopping to
meeting someone, form the wide acknowledges to the form of
quarrel. There is a word, "troll" that means an imaginary
creature from Scandinavia and it has a different meaning to
catch fish, but you know another meaning these days. It sounds
nasty and bullying on the net. So, Steve Jobs has changed even
languages.
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Re: Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: SHL Date: September 8, 2019, 1:33 pm
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[quote author=Chizuko link=topic=1357.msg19362#msg19362
date=1567942501]
Steve Jobs.
The internet world has changed a lot of things from shopping to
meeting someone, form the wide acknowledges to the form of
quarrel. There is a word, "troll" that means an imaginary
creature from Scandinavia and it has a different meaning to
catch fish, but you know another meaning these days. It sounds
nasty and bullying on the net. So, Steve Jobs has changed even
languages.
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Good answer Chizuko. I was really stumped by the question so
didn‘t venture a reply.
Plus, I wasn’t sure if Sepideh meant in a good or bad way
either, which made it hard to answer.
I really can‘t say Angela Davis has changed the world.......Neal
and Jerry might think so (just kidding guys)...but I don’t think
I‘d vote for her as being on top. There are so many
possibilities it‘s really hard to answer. But Steve Jobs was a
good choice, because of the internet. But don’t forget, he
wasn’t alone in his efforts. Look at Bill Gates (long forgotten
with his Windows Microsoft fame). The Wright Brothers with
flight? They were possibilities. Still, I think flight would
have come along sooner or later and would not have taken even
another 10 years to happen.
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Re: Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: Chizuko hanji Date: September 8, 2019, 8:07 pm
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Yeah, we can't choose just one person.
How about him,
Albert Einstein
He has changed the world, too.
By the way, I imagined none but Einstein when I looked at the
scientist in the movie, Back To The Future. hehe! I've never
seen Einstein in person though. :D
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Re: Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: Bosored Date: October 9, 2019, 10:34 am
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God I'd say. I mean the legend has it He created it, right? You
can't really beat that: changing the state of the world from
nonexistent (0%) to fully existent (100%). This is a tremendous
change. And all in 6 days.
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Re: Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: Pasha Date: October 9, 2019, 11:23 am
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[quote author=Bosored link=topic=1357.msg19541#msg19541
date=1570635260]
God I'd say. I mean the legend has it He created it, right? You
can't really beat that
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Yes, you can. Someone who created God and then someone who
created previous someone and so on, you know there is always a
bigger fish.
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Re: Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: Nikola Date: October 10, 2019, 1:58 pm
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I heard the guy who created God only took five days. Things used
to be done much more efficiently back in the day.
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Re: Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: SHL Date: October 11, 2019, 7:05 pm
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[quote author=Nikola link=topic=1357.msg19547#msg19547
date=1570733920]
I heard the guy who created God only took five days. Things used
to be done much more efficiently back in the day.
[/quote]
This reminds me of this quote:
„Perhaps the simplest and easiest to understand is the argument
of the First Cause. (It is maintained that everything we see in
this world has a cause, and as you go back in the chain of
causes further and further you must come to a First Cause, and
to that First Cause you give the name of God). That argument, I
suppose, does not carry very much weight nowadays, because, in
the first place, cause is not quite what it used to be. The
philosophers and the men of science have got going on cause, and
it has not anything like the vitality it used to have; but,
apart from that, you can see that the argument that there must
be a First Cause is one that cannot have any validity. I may say
that when I was a young man and was debating these questions
very seriously in my mind, I for a long time accepted the
argument of the First Cause, until one day, at the age of
eighteen, I read John Stuart Mill’s Autobiography, and I there
found this sentence: ‘My father taught me that the question,
“Who made me?” cannot be answered, since it immediately suggests
the further question, “Who made God?” ’ That very simple
sentence showed me, as I still think, the fallacy in the
argument of the First Cause. If everything must have a cause,
then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a
cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there
cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the
same nature as the Hindu’s view, that the world rested upon an
elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they
said, ‘How about the tortoise?’ the Indian said, ‘Suppose we
change the subject.’ The argument is really no better than that.
There is no reason why the world could not have come into being
without a cause; nor, on the other hand, is there any reason why
it should not have always existed. There is no reason to suppose
that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must
have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our
imagination. Therefore, perhaps, I need not waste any more time
upon the argument about the First Cause.“
Bertrand Russell, 1927.
I always found it rather funny when he says, „It is exactly of
the same nature as the Hindu‘s view, that the world rested upon
an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when
they say „How about the tortoise?“ the Indian said, „Suppose we
change the subject.“ The argument is really no better than
that.“ ;)
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Re: Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: NealC Date: October 12, 2019, 12:22 am
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This is where they all fall flat on their face, Russel's virtue
is at least he faced the emptiness of his position head on.
There must be a first cause, whether a personal God or an
impersonal force or "universe". Some of these big thinkers find
themselves leaning into "Ancient Aliens" - anything to avoid
intelligent design, a personal God, who might one day require
something of them.
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Re: Who has changed the world the most? Why?
By: Nikola Date: October 12, 2019, 4:31 am
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=1357.msg19549#msg19549
date=1570838744]
The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the
poverty of our imagination.
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I agree. Just like we think that we have to give things a push
to get them going or keep them going, because we live in a world
with air resistance and friction, and find it strange when we
learn that being in motion can be seen as the norm, we cling to
the concept of "beginning" because that's how things work in our
heads. It would take quite a big shift in perspective to be able
to imagine a beginningless universe. I think it's a good thing
that some people at least try.
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