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       #Post#: 18520--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: Irena Date: July 24, 2019, 2:37 pm
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       Now, wait a minute, Steve. Aren't you supposed to be the
       socialist on this forum? So you're supposed to support sharing.
       Including transportation sharing. Which is what I was doing.  ;D
       Anyway, I rode the Greyhound a number of times. Can't complain.
       Professional drivers and all. I liked the lecture one driver
       gave us about how he was going to get us to our destination
       safely rather than quickly. (We were having some bad weather, if
       I recall correctly.)
       And actually, Greyhound was my upgrade! For a while, I only took
       the Chinatown buses. Very cheap. But there were all these rumors
       about them involving various not-entirely-legal and
       not-entirely-safe business practices. (I don't know if any of
       those rumors were true, though.) So, I eventually upgraded to
       Greyhound.  8)
       #Post#: 18521--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: Irena Date: July 24, 2019, 2:48 pm
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       Seriously, Steve, you remind me of this anarchist (or
       "anarchist") girl I knew in college who once covered her dorm
       room walls with Mussolini pictures. She said she didn't like his
       politics, she just liked him as a person.  ::) Anyway, kinda
       like you and your socialism.
       #Post#: 18522--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: Truman Overby Date: July 24, 2019, 2:48 pm
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       [quote author=SHL link=topic=1269.msg18518#msg18518
       date=1563996796]
       And we don’t have a TÜV, like in Germany to inspect the
       roadworthiness of cars on the road, so unless a car‘s wheels are
       falling off,  no one is going to pay any attention.
       [/quote]
       California tests each and every vehicle for emissions.
       Automobiles made to be driven in the state of CA are equipped
       with special emissions equipment. I know because I own a
       California emission-equipped vehicle. And I'm sure that they
       inspect the roadworthiness of every vehicle. The New England
       states are very strict about this. There's so much salt on the
       roads that cars and trucks only last a few years.
       Also:
  HTML https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/cdl_htm/sec11
       And this, you can't do a driving test in Vietnamese: 11.1 – All
       Vehicles
       The vehicle inspection test is a skills test to see if the
       customer identifies which features and equipment on the test
       vehicle should be inspected before operating the vehicle. The
       entire vehicle inspection test must be conducted in the English
       language, pursuant to CFR, Title 49 §§391.11(b)(2) and
       383.133(c)(5).
       If you communicate in a language other than English or fail to
       comprehend instructions given to you in English, during the
       skills tests (vehicle inspection, basic control skills, and road
       test) you will receive a verbal warning for the first 2 offenses
       committed on the same test date. Upon the third offense
       committed on the same test date, the test will end as an
       automatic failure.
       #Post#: 18523--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: Nikola Date: July 24, 2019, 2:52 pm
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       [quote author=Irena link=topic=1269.msg18514#msg18514
       date=1563995434]
       Nikola, I really don't think we should be telling Americans how
       to arrange their society. If they fail to take passably good
       care of their less fortunate compatriots, then their society
       will fall apart on its own. But it's their country, so...
       [/quote]
       I think that telling them how to do it would look a bit
       different. I was just comparing it to a smaller-scale model,
       acknowledging that the the individual members (some of them,
       that is important in my opinion) will see the two options as two
       equal alternatives. Of course the ones who are used to taking
       care of absolutely everything won't see it that way. It's not my
       place to say what Americans should do about it or whether they
       should do anything at all but finding it terrifying is something
       I honestly can't help :)
       Jerry, bringing up the GDP of the Czech Republic in this context
       seems absolutely irrelevant. We're half the size of New York
       (the state) with half of its population. Of course various
       things that your country spends money on will be our GDP times
       X. You're big, we're small :)
       #Post#: 18524--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: SHL Date: July 24, 2019, 2:52 pm
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       [quote author=Irena link=topic=1269.msg18520#msg18520
       date=1563997077]
       Now, wait a minute, Steve. Aren't you supposed to be the
       socialist on this forum? So you're supposed to support sharing.
       Including transportation sharing. Which is what I was doing.  ;D
       Anyway, I rode the Greyhound a number of times. Can't complain.
       Professional drivers and all. I liked the lecture one driver
       gave us about how he was going to get us to our destination
       safely rather than quickly. (We were having some bad weather, if
       I recall correctly.)
       And actually, Greyhound was my upgrade! For a while, I only took
       the Chinatown buses. Very cheap. But there were all these rumors
       about them involving various not-entirely-legal and
       not-entirely-safe business practices. (I don't know if any of
       those rumors were true, though.) So, I eventually upgraded to
       Greyhound.  8)
       [/quote]
       You call greyhound an upgrade? My heart goes out to you Irena.
       You must have been a little down on your luck at the time.
       Gosh, I can’t imagine the people riding greyhounds. Jerry or
       Neal will never be found on one of them.
       Business class on a plane is an upgrade to me.
       And I do believe in sharing. Sharing is caring as they say.  :)
       #Post#: 18525--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: Irena Date: July 24, 2019, 2:55 pm
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       [quote author=SHL link=topic=1269.msg18524#msg18524
       date=1563997976]
       You call greyhound an upgrade? My heart goes out to you Irena.
       You must have been a little down on your luck at the time.
       Gosh, I can’t imagine the people riding greyhounds.
       [/quote]
       Perfectly ordinary people, I assure you. Myself, for instance.
       ;)
       #Post#: 18526--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: Truman Overby Date: July 24, 2019, 2:57 pm
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       I'm sorry, Nikola. I didn't mean the GDP comparison as a show of
       superiority or anything like that. It just seemed like a useful
       way to illustrate a large number, that's all.  :)
       The US does a magnificent job of taking care of the poor. I in
       no way want to dismantle that system. Not at all. Changes need
       to be made, and some have been, even by Clinton and Obama.
       There's a lot of fraud, waste, and abuse in the system. That
       money needs to be redirected back to where it's really needed.
       That would be care of old people [ like Steve ] children, and
       those who can't work through no fault of their own.
       Now can you and Irena admit that I'm not a hard-hearted SOB?  ;)
       #Post#: 18527--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: Nikola Date: July 24, 2019, 2:57 pm
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       [quote author=Irena link=topic=1269.msg18525#msg18525
       date=1563998117]
       [quote author=SHL link=topic=1269.msg18524#msg18524
       date=1563997976]
       You call greyhound an upgrade? My heart goes out to you Irena.
       You must have been a little down on your luck at the time.
       Gosh, I can’t imagine the people riding greyhounds.
       [/quote]
       Perfectly ordinary people, I assure you. Myself, for instance.
       ;)
       [/quote]
       I took Megabus in the US. It worked out cheaper.
       #Post#: 18528--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: Truman Overby Date: July 24, 2019, 2:59 pm
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       [quote author=Irena link=topic=1269.msg18520#msg18520
       date=1563997077]
       But there were all these rumors about them involving various
       not-entirely-legal and not-entirely-safe business practices.
       [/quote]
       Please elaborate, Irena. I haven't been out in the world very
       much. I'm just a sheltered small-town boy.
       #Post#: 18529--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Public transport in the US and elsewhere (Split from Courage
        or show-off?)
       By: Irena Date: July 24, 2019, 2:59 pm
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       [quote author=Nikola link=topic=1269.msg18527#msg18527
       date=1563998278]
       [quote author=Irena link=topic=1269.msg18525#msg18525
       date=1563998117]
       [quote author=SHL link=topic=1269.msg18524#msg18524
       date=1563997976]
       You call greyhound an upgrade? My heart goes out to you Irena.
       You must have been a little down on your luck at the time.
       Gosh, I can’t imagine the people riding greyhounds.
       [/quote]
       Perfectly ordinary people, I assure you. Myself, for instance.
       ;)
       [/quote]
       I took Megabus in the US. It worked out cheaper.
       [/quote]
       See, Steve? If you ever get sick and tired of the US again, just
       hop on a long distance bus. You might run into some Europeans.
       ;)
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