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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: SHL Date: July 23, 2019, 2:49 pm
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[quote author=Irena link=topic=1259.msg18361#msg18361
date=1563868778]
Okay, I haven't watched the video, but you're cheating. You just
dug up some little-known professor from some little-known
political party giving a talk somewhere. Maybe it's a good talk
(I have no time for it right now), but so what? Meanwhile, your
"leftist" political party just had a President in office for
eight years. So, what improved for the working class over those
eight years?
Also, I'm not talking about the desperately poor (that's a
separate category). I'm talking about, you know, the working
class. People who are (mostly) employed, but work as
truckdrivers, or as hairdressers, or in warehouses, etc. What
improved for them?
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Since when is the Democratic Party a leftist party?I never said
it was. To be honest, today‘s Democratic Party is what would
would have been considered moderate Republican in the 60s.
Listen to the Jesse Ventura video I posted on another thread. He
says when he met Fidel Castro he called him President. Then he
said „they have elections too in Cuba too you know. It’s just
that they have only one name on the ballot. We have 2. Big
difference, huh? And the two we get to pick from are hardly any
different (it was an older interview).
And Angela is known around the world. She’s been out of the
scene a long time, but she was well-known in the 70s.
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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: Irena Date: July 23, 2019, 3:01 pm
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=1259.msg18397#msg18397
date=1563911383]
Since when is the Democratic Party a leftist party?I never said
it was. To be honest, today‘s Democratic Party is what would
would have been considered moderate Republican in the 60s.
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Okay, let me see if I understand correctly. The Democratic Party
hasn't done anything of any significance for the working class
in decades. But working class people should vote for its
presidential candidate, because otherwise, they'll be nothing
but a bunch of deplorables all over again, and who wants to be
deplorable? Is that about right?
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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: NealC Date: July 23, 2019, 8:28 pm
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Pretty much. And how do you argue with the idiocy that a
presidential ballot with one name on it is almost the same as a
ballot with two names. Hey it is just one less isn't it? What
is the big deal?
Every political commentator in the country thinks both parties
have moved closer to their extremes. Except Steven.
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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: Irena Date: July 24, 2019, 1:00 am
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Two names? What? Wasn't there that Jill Stein person as well?
And some libertarian candidate (forgot his name)? Plus other
people nobody's ever heard of, but could be voted for anyway?
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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: SHL Date: July 24, 2019, 1:20 am
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[quote author=Irena link=topic=1259.msg18398#msg18398
date=1563912078]
[quote author=SHL link=topic=1259.msg18397#msg18397
date=1563911383]
Since when is the Democratic Party a leftist party?I never said
it was. To be honest, today‘s Democratic Party is what would
would have been considered moderate Republican in the 60s.
[/quote]
Okay, let me see if I understand correctly. The Democratic Party
hasn't done anything of any significance for the working class
in decades. But working class people should vote for its
presidential candidate, because otherwise, they'll be nothing
but a bunch of deplorables all over again, and who wants to be
deplorable? Is that about right?
[/quote]
The current Republican Party has become a far right wing party
that has essentially morphed into an extreme fascist party that
is off the scale to the right, centered on a personalty cult of
Trump as some kind of savior of the right wing, poor, ignorant
extremists, who are so stupid they think he will save them.
Trump is a con man. A Hollywood entertainer. He is attempting to
impose fascism on the US and may start a war with Iran. Trump is
seriously dangerous.
The democrats are just another version of the capitalist party,
only toned down from from the Republicans. Not radically
different, however it’s essentially a one party capitalist party
with one being fascist extremist and the other not.
Real left wing parties are small and about as powerless as the
American Nazi Party (yeah, they’re legal in the States).
Vote for a real left wing party and you’ve thrown your vote
away. Vote democrat and you’ve just voted for the less
off-the-wall version of the same party. So the US has a 2 party
system? Not really much different than Cuba. It’s closer to a
one party system.
And Angela Davis is a little known figure? Maybe among
millennials but not historically. That’s like calling Martin
Luther King a little-known figure.
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Davis
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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: SHL Date: July 24, 2019, 1:28 am
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On Angela Davis, a profound intellectual:
Frankfurt
In Germany, with a monthly stipend of $100, she lived first with
a German family and later with a group of students in a loft in
an old factory. After visiting East Berlin during the annual May
Day celebration, she felt that the East German government was
dealing better with the residual effects of fascism than were
the West Germans. Many of her roommates were active in the
radical Socialist German Student Union (SDS), and Davis
participated in some SDS actions. Events in the United States,
including the formation of the Black Panther Party and the
transformation of Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee
(SNCC) to an all-black organization, drew her interest upon her
return.[15]
Postgraduate work
Edit
Marcuse had moved to a position at the University of California,
San Diego, and Davis followed him there after her two years in
Frankfurt.[15] On her way back, she stopped in London to attend
a conference on "The Dialectics of Liberation." The black
contingent at the conference included the Trinidadian-American
Stokely Carmichael and the British Michael X. Although moved by
Carmichael's rhetoric, Davis was reportedly disappointed by her
colleagues' black nationalist sentiments and their rejection of
communism as a "white man's thing."[16]
She joined the Che-Lumumba Club, an all-black branch of the
Communist Party USA named for international Communist
sympathizers and leaders Che Guevara and Patrice Lumumba, of
Cuba and the Congo, respectively.[17]
Davis earned a master's degree from the University of
California, San Diego, in 1968.[18] She earned a doctorate in
philosophy from Humboldt University in East Berlin.[19]
the 1970s
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Cuba
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After her acquittal, Davis went on an international speaking
tour in 1972 and the tour included Cuba, where she had
previously been received by Fidel Castro in 1969 as a member of
a Communist Party delegation.[50] Robert F. Williams, Huey
Newton, Stokely Carmichael had also visited Cuba, and Assata
Shakur later moved there after escaping from a U.S. prison. Her
reception by Afro-Cubans at a mass rally was so enthusiastic
that she was reportedly barely able to speak.[51] Davis
perceived Cuba as a racism-free country, which led her to
believe that "only under socialism could the fight against
racism be successfully executed." When she returned to the
United States, her socialist leanings increasingly influenced
her understanding of race struggles.[52] In 1974, she attended
the Second Congress of the Federation of Cuban Women.[50]
Soviet Union
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Davis and Valentina Tereshkova, 1972
In 1971 the CIA estimated that five percent of Soviet propaganda
efforts were directed towards the Angela Davis campaign. In
August 1972, Davis visited the USSR at the invitation of the
Central Committee, and received an honorary doctorate from
Moscow State University.[53]
On May 1, 1979, she was awarded the Lenin Peace Prize from the
Soviet Union.[54] She visited Moscow later that month to accept
the prize, where she praised "the glorious name" of Lenin and
the "great October Revolution".[55}
East Germany
Davis and Erich Honecker in GDR, 1972
The East German government organized an extensive campaign on
behalf of Davis.[56] In September 1972, Davis visited East
Germany, where she met Erich Honecker, received an honorary
degree from the University of Leipzig and the Star of People's
Friendship from Walter Ulbricht. On September 11 in East Berlin
she delivered a speech, "Not Only My Victory", praising the GDR
and USSR and denouncing American racism, and visited the Berlin
Wall.[57][58][59] In 1973 she returned to East Berlin leading
the U.S. delegation to the 10th World Festival of Youth and
Students.[60]
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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: Nikola Date: July 24, 2019, 3:14 am
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Well, she certainly didn't faff about. I don't think a person
like this would be speaking on stage in my country. Not that she
wouldn't be allowed to, and it's not because she's black,
either, it's just that people with this kind of history don't
tend to be listened to or taken seriously, especially when
talking about how a certain political system exploits the poor.
How do you personally feel about this lady, Steven?
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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: SHL Date: July 24, 2019, 4:12 am
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[quote author=Nikola link=topic=1259.msg18405#msg18405
date=1563956083]
Well, she certainly didn't faff about. I don't think a person
like this would be speaking on stage in my country. Not that she
wouldn't be allowed to, and it's not because she's black,
either, it's just that people with this kind of history don't
tend to be listened to or taken seriously, especially when
talking about how a certain political system exploits the poor.
How do you personally feel about this lady, Steven?
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Well, I think she’s great. We should have a national Angela
Davis Day.
She’s an intellectual and academic. She taught at the University
of California, Los Angeles, teaching philosophy from 1969-1970,
and Ivy League colleges back east tried to recruit her, like
Swarthmore and Princeton, but she chose the urban location of
LA. The then governor, Ronald Reagan, put pressure on the
university to fire her. So they did, just because of her
political views. But a Judge overruled this because he said she
couldn’t be fired over just her politics.
She was fired again for calling police pigs.
She later served from 1991-2010 at the University of California
Santa Cruz as a full tenured professor and later retired as a
Distinguished Professor Emeritia.
She’s 75 now so forgotten by the younger generation, but she
still gives speaking tours and has published many books.
For someone of my generation, she is hardly „a little known
professor.“ Quite the contrary. An earned doctorate from the
Humboldt University in East Berlin and an Honorary doctorate
from Moscow State University?
She’s hardly some bumpkin who just fell off a pumpkin truck.
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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: Irena Date: July 24, 2019, 4:43 am
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=1259.msg18409#msg18409
date=1563959579]
She taught at the University of California, Los Angeles,
teaching philosophy from 1969-1970, and Ivy League colleges back
east tried to recruit her, like Swarthmore and Princeton, but
she chose the urban location of LA.
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Swarthmore is not Ivy League. (Sorry, couldn't help it.) It's a
small, liberal arts college. It's highly respected for the
undergraduate education that it offers, but it's not Ivy League.
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Re: An you think Bulgaria‘s got problems.....
By: SHL Date: July 24, 2019, 4:44 am
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[quote author=Irena link=topic=1259.msg18411#msg18411
date=1563961393]
[quote author=SHL link=topic=1259.msg18409#msg18409
date=1563959579]
She taught at the University of California, Los Angeles,
teaching philosophy from 1969-1970, and Ivy League colleges back
east tried to recruit her, like Swarthmore and Princeton, but
she chose the urban location of LA.
[/quote]
Swarthmore is not Ivy League. (Sorry, couldn't help it.) It's a
small, liberal arts college. It's highly respected for the
undergraduate education that it offers, but it's not Ivy League.
[/quote]
Really? Try applying for admission.
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